Brother Notlad Posted December 1, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 40 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins is Bible. No baptism in the New Testament was performed any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 1, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,191 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Brother Notlad said: Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins is Bible. No baptism in the New Testament was performed any other way. yes I have had many conversation with this ... the Church of Christ also believe baptism is necessary for salvation. The only problem is that God is no respect of person and the thief on the cross was not baptized and yet Jesus promised him heaven... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted December 1, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.55 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, Brother Notlad said: Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins is Bible. No baptism in the New Testament was performed any other way. Baptism is because of the remission of sins ("for" in that sense) that has already taken place, not in order to obtain the remission of sins. If water baptism were a condition to be fulfilled, in order to become saved, then salvation would be by works; but the Bible is very clear that salvation is NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Notlad Posted December 10, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 40 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 On 12/1/2020 at 2:18 PM, David1701 said: Baptism is because of the remission of sins ("for" in that sense) that has already taken place, not in order to obtain the remission of sins. If water baptism were a condition to be fulfilled, in order to become saved, then salvation would be by works; but the Bible is very clear that salvation is NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. But there is a formula, and scripture is clear that a Christian must be baptized in order to enter Heaven (Mark 16:16, John 3:5, etc). It isn't a "work", as you call it, it is putting on Jesus Christ (Romans 6:1-4). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Notlad Posted December 10, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 40 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 On 12/1/2020 at 2:01 PM, enoob57 said: yes I have had many conversation with this ... the Church of Christ also believe baptism is necessary for salvation. The only problem is that God is no respect of person and the thief on the cross was not baptized and yet Jesus promised him heaven... The thief was taken to Heaven before the necessity of water baptism was put in place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotAllThere Posted December 10, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 462 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 335 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/27/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Brother Notlad said: The thief was taken to Heaven before the necessity of water baptism was put in place. Sorry. That's a rationalisation of the text to fit a pre-existing idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted December 10, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.55 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Brother Notlad said: But there is a formula, and scripture is clear that a Christian must be baptized in order to enter Heaven (Mark 16:16, John 3:5, etc). It isn't a "work", as you call it, it is putting on Jesus Christ (Romans 6:1-4). <sigh> Anything you do, is, by definition, a work. Salvation is by grace through faith, not of works, lest anyone should boast. If you had to be baptised in water, in order to go to heaven, then your salvation would depend upon your own works and the works of other people. It is complete rubbish! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdombrat Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) I believe if you have the opportunity to be [Baptized] you should "do it." I don't believe it is a hardcore requirement since not just the example of the thief on the cross but deathbed repentance/Salvation many times aren't going to be "Baptized." And I don't believe God is going to refuse someone on their [deathbed] who gives their life to Him but isn't able to be Baptized. Edited December 10, 2020 by kingdombrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimes Posted December 10, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,734 Content Per Day: 2.77 Reputation: 8,345 Days Won: 21 Joined: 08/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 10, 2020 I was raised Apostolic Pentecostal, it's actually what pushed me away from Christ as a child/teenager. I later found our loving and merciful Savior and have been on a journey to un-learn the things taught to me in that denomination, and to learn the truth and beauty found in Christ and His Word. Hopefully your experience in that denomination is far better than mine was but sadly I've encountered many who were permanently scarred by the teachings and actions from people in that group. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted December 10, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted December 10, 2020 A good question to ask one's self is; Is your faith in a physical act or in the finished work of Christ on the cross. Whom or what are you trusting for salvation? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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