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  1. My first post in this thread was in response to someone saying that a person was never saved to begin with. My personal view is that it is pretty arrogant and presumptuous of anyone to say that a person that is confessing Christ on the cross as Lord and Savior; was not ever saved because of a blunder committed. There is a reason Paul said he was not perfect, and neither are any of us today. NONE of us can look inside of another person's heart and say that God is through with them. Below is a long list of sins that we all have committed off and on since becoming a Christian. No one can claim that they have not ever sinned since becoming a Christian. Nor can anyone claim that they have never wandered away for a while. Because ALL of us Christians have done this at some point in our walk. What does scripture say? “they (unbeliever's ) will know we are Christians by our love for one another” and here we are reading on Christian message boards all over the net; of Christians accusing other Christians of being unsaved. This really, really hurts our testimony to the unsaved and those who are new Christians. Anger backbiting expressing unkind thoughts of another bitterness boasting ridiculing another person complaining about what you can't do complaining about don't have contentiousness foul language breaking an agreement covetousness craftiness (as in wrong doing) deceit desiring praise from men causing divisions double tongued taking communion in an unworthily manner envy desiring something forbidden provoking someone to anger fearfulness anxiousness not recognizing your own faults bearing false witness greediness hatred arrogance hypocrisy speaking words that have no value refusing to be appeased passion or lust pursuing material possessions being fond of gratification selfishness maliciousness having bad character mocking presumptuousness pride puffed up slandering stirring up opposition against authority taking false oaths unforgiveness being unthankful false humility failing to do something, but should have
  2. How do you know that a person didn't genuinely give his / her life to Christ and is only stumbling for a time? None of us can see into another person's heart and know without a doubt the person was never saved. Galatians 6:1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. James 5: 19 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back,
  3. Being a Christian isn't based our feelings, but on what God, himself has done for us while we were still sinners. God set the bar, but mankind finds a way to bend that bar through pride and selfish ambition. Feelings are deceptive and are based on emotions, not on what God has declared what is right or wrong. The whole purpose of the bible is that we would know who God is and His will when it comes to our conduct and relationship with him. So morals in the church are based on what God declares is right and wrong. He, not us sets the standards of how we are to conduct ourselves in daily living. God in his written word says that a man who lays down with another man as he would a woman is disgusting. To say that God made them that way (homosexual), contradicts scripture which God himself is saying it is disgusting in His sight. The same is said, about two woman doing the same. There is a couple of scriptural exceptions for divorce, but none for two people of the same gender to lay with each other as a man and a woman would. A person that was divorced and remarried before becoming a Christian is not to be chastised for it was done before coming to repentance. In the same way, a Christian who becomes divorced on scriptural grounds and remarries should not be chastised for that person is an innocent party in the divorce. The Christian who divorces a spouse for reason's other than what is scriptural needs to show a genuine repentance before becoming a member of the church. Does NOT mean that they can become church leaders but that they should be welcomed into the fellowship. There are plenty of posts and threads of heterosexuals complaining about being looked down on and shamed for living together or having relations before marriage. Why are they being chastised? Because they are coming into church flaunting their sin out in the open for all to see. With no sign of remorse or genuine repentance. For scripture says that the two should NOT come together before marriage. What can we say about all this... That church members are basing their discretion and discipline on scripture.
  4. Most church's, particularly in the u.s have a statement of faith/belief posted somewhere and if not it can be asked for. If someone wants to become a member of a given church, they often are required to sign an agreement regarding that church's faith and belief's. So such person is NOT ignorant of the facts of what is taught. If one does not agree with any given church's statement of belief's, they are free to take themselves somewhere else. If one is not a member per se, then that person is a guest and really does not have a say in what can and can not be taught in a church in which he/she is a guest. This can be likened to visiting someone's home and after entering their home telling the owner what he/she can or can not do in their own home. First of all, its not your home; it is their home. And it is their right to tell you to leave. They have the right to do as they see fit in their own home. In the same way a pastor of any given church has the right to teach his congregation as he see's fit. And if you do not like his sermon's, don't go there; it is that simple. There are church's these days that have belief's that line up with yours. So why is that you feel the need to force a church that does not agree with you to change their policy? It is extremely sinful to force someone else to do something or agree with something that he/she feels in their heart is wrong. That is causing that person to sin, for he/she thinks it is wrong.
  5. Acts 8:1 Saul approved the stoning of Stephen Paul's approval and standing there watching; very much made him a participant.
  6. This post is directed to childoftheking Your whole argument against the tri-unity of the trinity is wrapped around Matthew 28:19. "What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?"
  7. Yockanan 1 5 : 6-8 (Orthodox Jewish Bible ) This One is the One having come by mayim and dahm, Yehoshua, Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach; not by the mayim only, but by the mayim and by the dahm; and the Ruach Hakodesh is the one giving solemn eidus, because the Ruach Hakodesh is HaEmes. Because there are shloshah giving solemn eidus: the Ruach Hakodesh and the mayim and the dahm, and the shloshah are for solemn eidus. 1 John 5 :6 – 8 (Complete Jewish Bible ) He is the one who came by means of water and blood, Yeshua the Messiah — not with water only, but with the water and the blood. And the Spirit bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. There are three witnesses — the Spirit, the water and the blood — and these three are in agreement. זֶה הוּא אֲשֶׁר־בָּא בְּמַיִם וּבְדָם (וּבְרוּחַ) יֵשׁוּעַ הַמָּשִׁיחַ לׂא בְּמַיִם בִּלְבַד כִּי אִם־בַּמַּיִם וּבַדָּם וְהָרוּחַ הוּא הַמֵּעִיד כִּי הָרוּחַ הוּא הָאֱמֶת׃ כִּי שְׁלׂשָׁה הַמְּעִידִים בַּשָּׁמַיִם הָאָב הַדָּבָר וְרוּחַ הַקּׂדֶשׁ וּשְׁלָשְׁתָּם אֶחָד הֵמָּה׃ וּשְׁלׂשָׁה הֵמָּה הַמְּעִידִים בָּאָרֶץ הָרוּחַ הַמַּיִם וְהַדָּם וּשְׁלָשְׁתָּם עֵדוּת אֶחָת׃
  8. Psalm 139 : 7 – 10 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) Where can I go to escape your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I climb up to heaven, you are there; if I lie down in Sh’ol, you are there. If I fly away with the wings of the dawn and land beyond the sea, even there your hand would lead me, your right hand would hold me fast. Tehillim 139 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB) To where can I go from Thy Ruach [Hakodesh]? Or to where shall I flee from Thy presence? If I ascend up into Shomayim, Thou art there; if I make my bed in Sheol, hinei, Thou art there. If I take the wings of the shachar (dawn), and dwell in the uttermost acharit yam (the extreme end of the sea); Even there shall Thy yad lead me, and Thy yamin shall hold me. תְּהִלִּים אָנָה, אֵלֵךְ מֵרוּחֶךָ; וְאָנָה, מִפָּנֶיךָ אֶבְרָח. אִם אֶסַּק שָׁמַיִם, שָׁם אָתָּה; וְאַצִּיעָה שְּׁאוֹל הִנֶּךָּ. אֶשָּׂא כַנְפֵי-שָׁחַר; אֶשְׁכְּנָה, בְּאַחֲרִית יָם. גַּם-שָׁם, יָדְךָ תַנְחֵנִי; וְתֹאחֲזֵנִי יְמִינֶךָ. these passages are the same as what is said in the NIV and KJ. And is speaking of God's presence everywhere at the same time. HE is omnipresent.
  9. I think some clarification would be helpful. What are you meaning? That sinful people need to be dealt with in the way Elisha and Jehu did? Jehu was not a better person than Ahab. He was sinful like all mankind. Even though he had did as the Lord wanted where Ahab and Jezebel were concerned. Jehu, also worshiped idols and taught all Israel to do the same. The kings of Israel and Judah as well as the nation of Israel as a whole; had shown that they were NOT better than the nations around them. What they had shown was that ALL men are alike. All have sinned. There is none that is righteous. I find it very disheartening to hear Christians wishing and praying ill will for unbelievers. It certainly seems they have forgotten that they too were once sinners and in need of God's forgiveness. We ALL have sinned. NONE of us deserve God's forgiveness. And since God has forgiven us for our tremendous debt. God paid our debt himself because we could never pay what we owe. As scripture says; it is not the well who need a doctor, but the sick. Jesus came and died on the cross for sinners not for the sinless! Should we not also extend the same mercy to others instead of demanding for God to dole out judgment? The theme and message throughout the Old Testament has always been a call for sinners to turn from the road they were traveling (repentance) God always gave wicked leaders the opportunity to repent because God desires that all be reconciled back to him, not death.
  10. One thing about speaking online; we don't have the visual cues of facial expressions and verbal tone of voice to always know for sure the tone and context of someone else's post. Sometimes it is hard to know if someone is being sarcastic/ironic or not. Using sarcastic/ironic remarks in replies to others in written form does not appear to be the best way to get a point across without risking the reader taking the reply to heart too deeply and reading between the lines when none was intended. The reader also needs to recognize that there is the possibility of this taking place and not jump to conclusions about someone else, that they have not personally met.
  11. While I do NOT agree with many of the roman catholic doctrines and teachings. I do know and understand that the roman catholic catechism that you cited is NOT a bible version. It never was a bible translation; rather it is an extra biblical literature that is a summary of the official teachings of Roman Catholic beliefs. While it is true that the word “trinity” does not specifically appear in scripture. The teaching of the trinity is there and is why I posted scriptures. For it is not conveyed in one single scripture, but many scriptures as a whole. God is a trinity of persons consisting of one substance and one essence but only ONE God
  12. We are NOT made in the likeness of angels. Mankind is NOT made in the likeness of angels. Mankind is made in God's image
  13. Gen. 1:26, "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness Gen. 11:7, "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language Psalm 45:6-7, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom. 7 You havet loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You." Isaiah 48:16, "Come near to Me God, listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret. From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.”
  14. John 10:30 I and the Father are one Isaiah 48: 16 – 17 "Come near me and listen to this: "From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens, I am there." And now the Sovereign LORD has sent me, endowed with his Spirit. This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go. Matthew 3;16 - 17 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." Matthew 28: 18-19 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, John 14:24-26 These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Hebrews 1: 1-3 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
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