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  1. Below is the actual wording from the book, itself. And yes the actual quote is in the book. She herself says she can't literally see carbon dioxide. And that no one has said that she can literally see it. I'm surmising that someone with more professional writing experience, that possibly is often hired by the publisher to help write books, might of made some suggestions and/or contributions to said book. I think the paragraph itself is more of an embellishment or dramatization of the story, and not so much as a metaphor created to make the story more appealing for reading and thus sell more books. The fact that the quote is actually in the book, does not make the newspapers report fake. Maybe misleading, but certainly not fake. "Because she saw what the rest of us didn't want to see. Greta belonged to the small few who could see our carbon dioxide with the naked eye. She saw the greenhouse gases flowing out of our chimneys, hovering upwards with the winds, and turning the atmosphere into a gigantic invisible dump. She was the child, we were the emperor. "
  2. First of all, I never said the girl was being used for a for a special plan, nor did I say she was being used for a special occupation. As a matter of fact thomas, I never even posted anything about the girl. I said satan uses man for his own purposes, not “her” the girl is not the only member of the climate movement, aka global warming movement. There are other people that are members also, The world's definition for evil is a depiction of a villain creating calamity, but this is NOT the bible's definition. People here are talking about spiritual matters not villains.
  3. The biblical definition for evil, is a wrong DEED, MORAL WRONG, also known as sinful behavior. It is not a person. A person is often called evil because their behavior is sinful. Your wanting people to see everyone else as such good people, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with any sins they are doing and so we shouldn't say anything about it. Remember the conversation you and I had before? The bible doesn't tell us to repent because we are good, it tells us to repent because our deeds are already evil. The bible doesn't tell us that because someone's good deeds outweigh their bad deeds God will automatically look the other way and give the person a pass and welcome them into heaven. That is universalism, which says everyone is good, that there is no such thing as sin. Universalism contradicts what the bible says about our deeds and God's Holiness. If our good deeds could outweigh our bad deeds, there would have been no need for Jesus to die on the cross for our sins (evil deeds). Thomas I gave you in my first post in this thread an example of what is meant in regards to how satan uses man for his own purposes in getting man to join in satan's rebellion. Satan was trying to prevent Jesus from dying on the cross. Why was that? Lets look at scripture Hebrews 2: 14, 15 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death--that is, the devil-- and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. Satan did not want Jesus dying at the appointed time, as a matter of fact he tried to prevent Jesus from dying on the cross. Alright so how did satan use Peter for satan's own purpose? He used Peter for a mouthpiece to rebuke Jesus. Peter wasn't even aware that he was being used by satan. For all Peter knew, he was just thinking. In Matthew 16: 21 thru 23 Jesus began to explain what must soon take place in Jerusalem. Peter however, took him aside and began to rebuke him. "Never, Lord!" he said. "This shall never happen to you!" Jesus' rebuke in the continuing conversation between Peter and Jesus was aimed at the real source of Peter's thoughts. The real source was not Peter's thoughts, but satan's words. Jesus then says "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns." The above definitely does NOT mean Peter was linked to satan, as if the two are buddies and collaborating, and making Peter look evil; but that satan was speaking to Jesus through Peter. Notice that Jesus doesn't even address Peter, but satan. When satan speaks to us, he has only one purpose: to do harm. Whether through discouragement, temptation, frustration, depression, or despair, his goal is always to divide us from God, to cripple our spiritual vitality, and prevent us from obeying and serving God. We can hear God's voice, satan's voice or our own voice through our consciences, circumstances, or through the communication of other people. Satan certainly can influence and deceive people through ideals, opinions, goals, hopes, philosophies, education, commerce, ideas, thoughts, speculations, and false religion.
  4. Thomas, Neither Angels or Sonshine are even suggesting that the girl is evil or a bad person or a weirdo. Someone to be avoided. Not at all !! Neither were talking about her per se, but about the climate movement itself; And the spirit behind the campaign itself. Movement as in. . . . a campaign undertaken by a group of people working together. The bible often calls satan “the ruler of this world” or “the prince of the power of the air” “the god of this world” This does NOT mean that he has ultimate authority. Satan's domain is over unbelievers only. Christians are no longer under satan's rule. The bible teaches that Satan rules over the unbelieving world. The word “satan” means ”adversary”. He is also our “ accuser” Scripture says that satan desires to be worshiped as god. Not only is he God's enemy, but also man's. His goal is prevent man from being redeemed and having fellowship with God. This makes him our ultimate enemy. The title “ruler of this world” suggests that he is the major “influence” over our unsaved world. The biblical meaning of “this world” refers to the present system of opposition to God. So, the Bible never teaches that Satan actually rules over the entire world, but that he is ruler over the current system of sinful opposition to God. In other words, he’s leading the rebellion against God. The word “influence”. The definition for influence is . . .the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself. Scripture says we are not fighting flesh and blood, but the principalities, the rulers of darkness of this world. The principalities and darkness spoken of is satan and his minions. We can hear God's voice, satan's voice or our own voice through our consciences, circumstances, or through the communication of other people. Satan certainly can influence and deceive people through ideals, opinions, goals, hopes, philosophies, education, commerce, ideas, thoughts, speculations, and false religion. 2 Corinthians 4: 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. When satan speaks to us, he has only one purpose: to do harm. Whether through discouragement, temptation, frustration, depression, or despair, his goal is always to divide us from God, to cripple our spiritual vitality, and prevent us from obeying and serving God. Satan uses man, for his own evil purposes in opposition to God. It is not a far stretch in regards to this to see that satan can deceive (influencing) people of any age, gender, nation, tribe, or language into placing faith and trust in themselves and their own strength and power through an environmental campaign instead of looking to God for eternal life. Events like this environmental campaign is the reason Paul tells us to take every thought and pretense to the word of God. The world's idea of evil, satan and demon's is vastly different from what the bible teaches about the spiritual realm.
  5. Thomas, Sonshine's statement was not in reference that the girl was collaborating with satan or even possessed by satan. Perhaps the following verses, and dialog between Jesus and Peter and the following explanation will help you better understand what sonshine was meaning. Ephesians 6: 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 2 Corinthians 10: 3, 4For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. I put up the above verse to show you that scripture shows that the world in general is being influenced by unseen spiritual forces of darkness without even being aware of it. By keeping this child and her parents so focused on the physical world we live in and man's abilities; Satan is able to hinder their ability and to hear the gospel and putt their trust in Christ, which is far more important than the global warming issue. And it isn't just this family, but the world in general. There is an unseen battle being waged for our hearts and minds. In Matthew 16: 21 thru 23 Jesus began to explain what must soon take place in Jerusalem. Peter however, took him aside and began to rebuke him. "Never, Lord!" he said. "This shall never happen to you!" Jesus then says "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns." It is a short and to the point statement to Satan (adversary) . Satan was standing in the way, trying to hinder Jesus from doing what he came to accomplish. “Get behind me” is a way of saying. . . Your in my way. Move out of my way !! Satan had tried this earlier in the wilderness offering an alternative to death on the cross. And here he is again trying to get Jesus to compromise. Matthew 16: 16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." In the above verse Peter was expressing God's will and at the moment had the things of God in mind. Peter as well as the others did not fully grasp the true purpose of the messiah's coming. As Peter listened to what Jesus was saying about his mission, his mind drifted back on human thoughts and ideals of this world. His own plans and ambitions. Unwittingly setting himself up to be Satan's mouthpiece. Jesus' rebuke was aimed at the real source of Peter's thoughts. The rebuke also served to bring Peter's focus which was now off track. . . back onto the things of God.
  6. the quote came from the following post in the "logic and sense" thread, pg 4
  7. The first verse in Hebrews 11 says “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.” We get assurance and conviction from the knowledge of what God has told us in his written word. We cannot please God in any way unless we have faith. Faith is a prerequisite to pleasing God. It is an absolute requirement. As Christians, we must have faith in the risen Savior . It isn’t just believing, it’s believing and trusting God at what He has told us in His written word. No one is saying throw your mind away and believe in someone or something blindly. But our faith grows from our knowledge of God. Jesus gave us the ultimate proof that faith in Him is the type of faith we should all have. Hebrews 11: 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
  8. The quotes per your request and thoughts Tzephanyahu have been removed from the post. I stand corrected and apologize for the remark.
  9. The first verse in Hebrews 11 says “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.” We get assurance and conviction from the knowledge of what God has told us in his written word. We cannot please God in any way unless we have faith. Faith is a prerequisite to pleasing God. It is an absolute requirement. As Christians, we must have faith in the risen Savior . It isn’t just believing, it’s believing and trusting God at what He has told us in His written word. No one is saying throw your mind away and believe in someone or something blindly. But our faith grows from our knowledge of God. Jesus gave us the ultimate proof that faith in Him is the type of faith we should all have. Hebrews 11: 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
  10. There have been similar threads in the past such as this one where someone did not want certain individuals to receive forgiveness from God. They feel that God will overlook their own sins and not judge them. That only murder, rape or physical abuse should be judged; and everything else should be excused. People have lost sight of the fact that sins such as ridiculing others, name calling is in fact abusing others. No ifs, ands, or buts about it; ridiculing, and name calling are sinful, and very hurtful because they assassinate a person's character and reputation. Ever notice that both are always committed when a person is angry and wants the other to hurt. It is an attack on the other person. But yet, there are a lot of folks that think that such sins should be overlooked because overall, they see themselves as basically good people. They didn't commit such heinous crimes. The story of Jonah touch's on this very subject of a person not wanting others to receive forgiveness of sins. The Ninevites had a history of having committed atrocities against the Israelite's. And because of that, Jonah had a strong dislike for them. Jonah tried to prevent the Ninevites from repenting and receiving God's forgiveness. In the story of Jonah, God told Jonah that He had compassion and desired all people's to repent and turn to him, not just the Israelites. As we read the stories in the Old Testament, we can see that the Israelites were alike in that ALL men are sinful and have a calloused heart. ALL have a sinful and calloused heart. God has a love and compassion that supersedes the human heart and mind. Isaiah 64: 6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like a polluted garment; we all wither like a leaf, and our iniquities carry us away like the wind. Jesus came for the very reason that ALL men are sinful and are in need of a savior.
  11. In english the word “fluctuation” is a reference to the rising and falling of prices and numbers. I think you mean the word “levitation” which means to rise up and hover particularity by means of supernatural or magical means. Levitating is something that occultic groups practice; but it is NOT something the bible teaches us to seek after. Instead the bible tells us to avoid all occultic practices. And this certainly includes levitation. The unforgivable sin is the flat out refusal to believe in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. That He shed his blood on the cross for all peoples of every tongue, tribe, and nation so that all who believe and trust Him to save them will have eternal life.
  12. We need to take everything we hear to the word of God and compare what has been said to what God's word says and not just indulge in our own personal ideas in regards to spiritual matters that go beyond what He has written in His word. Scripture teaches us that we are forbidden to go beyond what His word says in regards to spiritual matters. Scripture never indulges us in the desire to pursue beyond the boundaries God, Himself has put in place in regards to spiritual matters. We need to accept those boundaries, when scripture is silent. Notice that in these near death experience stories, the central theme and message brought back focus's on the individuals themselves and mundane descriptions that are so prominent in creative stories in movies and books. The biblical description draws us to the mind blowing supremacy and sovereignty and glory of Jesus Christ who is central and the heart of heaven's description. The writers in the new testament mention their own fear and shame in the presence of such glory.
  13. The part that really upsets people is when a church attempts to cover their tracks in order to save face instead of having the offender step down from his position of leadership or even turning the offender over to the police and courts to be dealt with. Church autonomy is being used to save face in a lot of the cases, and possibly all of the cases. Very few abuse cases that occur within church's are turned over to the police and courts. In situations of physical, emotional or sexual abuse by church leaders should not be handled exclusively by church autonomy, but most definitely turned over to the police and courts. Not only are these church matters, but also city and state crimes. It can be likened to a criminal investigating himself and excusing himself from accountability and responsibility. As to the opsters question of sexual abuse happening in protestant church's. The answer is yes it does happen. The statistics show that it happens almost as frequently in protestant church's as it does in catholic churches. However the roman catholic church has a profound reputation for cover ups instead of firing offenders when the allegations have been proven to be true. Which is why it is big news and scandalous when it is discovered.
  14. Stepping down is not the same as being told to leave the church. I don't recall anyone in the thread saying a pastor with a poor moral reputation is to leave. What I did read is the general consensus is that a pastor / elder that has engaged in a grievous sin or is discovered to be involved in a pattern of sin, most certainly should step down and not hold any position of leadership within the church. Pastor's / elder's are in a position in which scripture shows that they are held to a higher standard of moral character so that those in their charge will turn back from sin and not have a complacent attitude towards sinfulness. And no criticism can be directed at them. Those who preach or teach face a higher degree of criticism, than those who are simply members of the church. Because of this, scripture says we should not entertain accusations unless there are two or three witnesses and the allegations have been proven true. They should be helped and pointed in the direction of repentance and restoration and then on to fellowshipping again, but they should NOT have leadership positions.
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