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  1. Matthew 24 : 23 - 27 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Messiah!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time. "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the wilderness,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
  2. They will be judged on what they do know, NOT on what they do not know. What those people you are speaking of did know, is that there is a living God. God made this fact known to them by what men could see around them, meaning all of creation. But those who refused to acknowledge him are lost, based on this fact. NOT on the fact that they didn't get to hear the gospel. You may not like it, but it is what it is. There is no second chance for them to change their minds after death. They will be judged because even though they didn't know about Jesus, they did know about God's presence, and did have a moral code that they knew they were breaking; but chose to exchange what they knew to be the truth, for a lie. The bible says all are without excuse, NOT because they didn't hear the gospel, but because they had sinned. The bible says All have sinned. And it is sin that separates us from God. Not ignorance. Romans 1 : 18 - 23 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. Romans 2:12 - 15 ( NIV) elaborates on this further All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) A paraphrase of the same verses from Roman's 2 (LB ) He will punish sin wherever it is found. He will punish the heathen when they sin, even though they never had God’s written laws, for down in their hearts they know right from wrong. God’s laws are written within them; their own conscience accuses them, or sometimes excuses them. And God will punish the Jews for sinning because they have his written laws but don’t obey them. They know what is right but don’t do it. After all, salvation is not given to those who know what to do, unless they do it. The day will surely come when at God’s command Jesus Christ will judge the secret lives of everyone, their inmost thoughts and motives;
  3. Do realize that unbelievers reject the idea of a Creator who demands morality from His creation. They take pride in what they consider good about themselves. And so, don't think they are in need of a Savior or having their sins forgiven. No human can say they, themselves or another person is basically good, so sins should be overlooked. Sin is NOT determined by human measurements of goodness, but on God's standard of holiness. Purgatory and universalism sounds appealing to unbelievers because it doesn't require their lives to change. They fight against believing and trusting in a Savior to save them, because they know that if they do believe; it will change their way of living. The roman catholic church through this doctrine is pretty much saying so to speak. “Live as you like no need to repent, you'll go to heaven anyway". We can't truly obtain Salvation without sincerely turning from our sins. There will be no unrighteousness in heaven In Mark 1: 15 Jesus tells us to repent and believe the good news. That means to change your mind about sin and turn to God. If God is going to eventually save people, why does the bible repeatedly, over and over tell us to turn from a sinful lifestyle now while we are alive? It is reckless and foolish to think one can turn to God at the last minute or wait till after death. If a person is unwilling to turn from a sinful life now, what reason would he/she have later? A person has no way of knowing if he or she will even have the opportunity to do so at a later time. An unexpected life threatening event such as a heart attack, or car accident can happen with no warning at all and the person has lost the opportunity. If God is going to eventually save everyone why does Jesus say.... Matthew 25: 41 Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Matthew 25 : 46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." Doesn't sound like a person will eventually be saved if they are sent to an everlasting punishment.
  4. I can not remove your post, as I am not a forum moderator. I moderate the chatroom when I am there.
  5. I have removed the post that was addressed to you a few minutes ago, I will be putting it back up in a bit. I reposted a reply to another person that was also making a case in favor of purgatory.
  6. Margo, you might be thinking of astral projection
  7. The only place we can find straightforward truth is in the word of God ( bible ). The bible does NOT instruct us to have out of body experiences. When it comes to spiritual matters, God's written word is sufficient. All that we need to know about God and how He wants us to live and conduct ourselves is in His written word. We don't need unusual and exotic experiences to get to know God. We can know him through what He has revealed to us in His written word. And His written word is sufficient for us. John 17 : 17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 2 Timothy 3 : 16, 17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Seeking supernatural experiences, such as out of the body can certainly open you up to demonic oppression, There is nothing to be gained by this. In the first place it amounts to occultic practices and the bible strictly forbids divination and sorcery and this would also include out of body experiences.
  8. from the following posted verses, we have more than just hope but, full assurance that if we believe and trust Jesus to save us. We are indeed saved. When Jesus died on the cross, He said "it is finished" meaning the debt is paid in full. God's will for us was accomplished by Jesus on the cross. John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life. Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Romans 10:9 Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’ Acts 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
  9. The phrase itself “true" human being and ideology comes from gnostic teaching as well as from eastern religions. And these are false. It certainly is NOT taught in the bible. Just because something sounds Christianese, does not make it a sound biblical doctrine or ideal. Satan mixes in just enough truth to make a lie, palatable. And I applaud maryjayne and dusty for approaching the question with caution, especially when the question is vague with a certain expected answer. There are situations and teachings in which Christians should NOT have an open mind.
  10. CONDEMNED because of breaking the TEN Commandments!!! Seriously? I am just commenting on the title of thread and the quoted part above. Paul's primary audience in the book of roman's was primarily gentiles, but there was also Jews in Rome as well. The first 5 chapters of the book of Roman's teaches that God has instilled the knowledge of himself, sin and the coming judgement into the hearts of ALL mankind. From Adam till today, so that none are without excuse. People will not be held accountable for what they do not know, but for what has been revealed to them. Not only did God hardwire all mankind with the knowledge of himself, but also the knowledge of right and wrong. The Jews who tried so hard to get right with God by following Moses laws had failed in keeping those laws , for it isn't possible for human's to keep God's laws perfectly. The Jews, who knew of God's written laws had shown that they were no different than the gentiles, in that all have sinned. And is the reason Jesus came and died for all humans. It is not possible to share the gospel with the unbelieving without also telling them why they are in need of a savior. Unbelievers think of themselves as basically good people, but the bible tells us that ALL mankind has sinned. Roman's 5 : 12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-- Romans 2 : 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. Roman's 1 : 5 – 7 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake. And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ. To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Roman's 1: 18 – 21 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Romans 1: 28 – 32 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 2: 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; Roman's 3 : 22 – 23 There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
  11. I agree in that some threads are quite long and it takes awhile to read through them. Reading through an entire thread is certainly helpful, but it is not a requirement, and no one is required to do so before posting.
  12. The bible does not teach purgatory. The idea that one can live as they like now, without having to think about one's own personal accountability for their actions, whether good or bad in this life time, and then do the time later or pay an indulgence to get out of a spiritual jail so to speak sounds very appealing doesn't it? It doesn't work like that. And it can't work like that. If the bible is God's word and voice as catholics claim, and He is the creator and supreme authority, then His written word is also the supreme go to authority on ALL spiritual matters. God's word supersedes, any and all extra biblical literature including the catholic catechism. The bible teaches that for all our efforts, we can not save ourselves from sin and death. God declared that for the wages of sin, death is the penalty. That is why Jesus died on the cross. Because in dying on the cross, he was able to fully pay the debt that we ourselves are not able to pay. The believers in bible times faced and endured difficulties, hardships and mistreatment. The apostles would not have spoken of maintaining faith and perseverance in spite of it all, if believer's could wait till after death. There would be no reason to persevere in faith and trust in Jesus if we could get there by our own merits. Purgatory denies the work of Christ on the cross. It falls short of the finished work of Christ on the cross alone. Purgatory is deceptive in that it causes people to believe that they can get to heaven by their own power instead of relying on Jesus to save them. It is saying that the work Jesus did on the cross was incomplete and insufficient. This is definitely a false teaching at its very core. Jesus' death on the cross is the complete atonement for the sins of anyone who believes on Jesus to save them. The full redemptive work was accomplished on the cross alone. Jesus declared on the cross “it is finished” meaning he once and for all paid the cost. We are justified by faith. There are no sins left for purgatory to cleanse because it was all done by Jesus on the cross. This is why Jesus said, "It is finished!" The bible tells us that salvation is a free gift. It would not be free if we had to pay for it would it?
  13. no, it is a movie in which they went back in time to bring a humpback whale back to their present time because a probe was destroying the earth due to the probe not being able to get a reply, specifically from a humpback whale .
  14. I don't know why, but this reminds me of a scene in star trek 4 in which capt kirk steps off the curb in front of a cabby and the cab driver sticks his head out the window... “you dummy . . . . .”, capt kirk returns the favor with “well double dumb on you !!” Spock speaks up later and says... I noticed your vocabulary is very colorful its lately been laced with double dumb. . . on you. In all seriousness, getting upset with other drivers isn't worth getting into an accident over a space in front of you (collective you, no one here specifically) or worse getting arrested for assault or having someone physically assault you.
  15. What if what you have to offer others here at worthy is a blessing to others, would you stay?
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