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  1. When scripture tells us to rejoice when persecuted and to love our enemies it is NOT saying you as a Christian can not seek help from the police or courts if necessary, or that you have no choice but to hang out with an abuser, not at all. And it certainly is NOT telling us to be doormats. But that none of us from one human to another has the right as an individual to act as vigilantes. In other words we don't have the right to take the law into our own hands. The persecution that the bible speaks of is the disapproval of the faith, trust and belief in Jesus Christ as Savior which does not conform to the godlessness ideology of a sinful world. Having those around us whether they be in the work place, school or get togethers with family or friends disapprove of our faith and trust in Jesus and mock us for it, or act unruly to us. We can all agree that it is unpleasant when our faith comes under fire. Being persecuted because of our faith in our Savior; allows us to share in a unique fellowship with the Lord and strengthen our character. Trials like this teach us patience and perseverance and this is what the bible means when it says to count persecution as joy. Jesus told us to love those who persecute us because of our faith in him, because he first loved us when we were still sinners ourselves. And when we follow his example we are not only acting like him, but reflecting his love and character to those that we come into contact with. We are told to love sinners because in doing so we are a living testimony of God's love, holiness and character. Jesus did not die on the cross for the righteous, but for the sinners. We are to have compassion on sinners for whom Christ died. Jesus Christ came to bring Israel, and all peoples into a new covenant. Under the provisions of this covenant he gave believers a very different commandment regarding those who do evil, or are enemies Matthew 5:43-48 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax-gatherers do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Leviticus 19:16-18 ‘You shall not go about as a slanderer among your people, and you are not to act against the life of your neighbor; I am the LORD. You shall not hate your fellow countryman in your heart; you may surely reprove your neighbor, but shall not incur sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD There are Christians that would rather harbor a grudge or nurse the wounds of an insult than love their fellow man. They seek excuses for why they should be allowed to practice hate or the dislike for certain individuals. But in doing so, they are sinning. We as Christians do NOT have the right to hate anyone else I John 4:19-21 We love, because He first loved us. If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also
  2. “the word testament comes two passages in the New Testament, one in Hebrews and one in Galatians where actually the word is properly rendered covenant. It would be easier, it would be more accurate to speak of the Bible as having two covenants: the old covenant and new covenant. Of course, we have inherited the term testament, so we will continue to speak of the Bible having two testaments, but the notion of covenant shapes an awful lot of how the Bible is put together rather than testament. a covenant is made with the people of God as a nation in Exodus, and this is the one that is sometimes referred to in the New Testament as the old covenant.“ Hebrews 8: 6 (NIV) But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. 7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said: "The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 9 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. 10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 11 No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12 For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." 13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. In the New Testament, It was the pharisees and scribes that misapplied and abused those guidelines to teach and justify personal revenge for every and all insults. (Exodus 21) But Jesus says.... “But I tell you”. (Matt 5:22) and he gives the reason why we are to love those who are abusive. It does not mean that a violent person will not face the police, a judge and jury. (judicial system) But that we as Christians ourselves; do not seek out personal retribution (revenge) for slights. For example, someone calls you a bad name, you are not to return in kind, but instead let the insult roll off your shoulders and if this person asks you for a drink of water, give it to him/her. In this way you are showing God's character and love to the offender through your action of kindness. Matthew 5:45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. In the above verse we see that God is kind to all, even those who are unrighteous. Jesus came and died on the cross so that those in your list quoted above can be reconciled back to God in the same way as anyone else. No matter who they are, or what they have been like. Yes, all come to God in the same way, through Christ on the cross. People you think of that are good and deserving have also sinned, because God says “all have sinned” all are alike, there is none that is righteous. Not believing what God has said about his son and the way to him is sinful in itself. So a good person, that only mildly sins is also under condemnation because he or she refuses to believe.
  3. We certainly are not robot's or puppets on strings.
  4. If God is going to stop evil, is He required to stop all of it or just some of it? If He stops all of it, would we be free? As for scripture showing that Jesus tells us to love our enemies... here you go Matthew 5: 44 and 45 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous Luke 6:27 But to those of you who will listen, I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you Luke 6:28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
  5. Several posts in this thread give the impression that an excuse to not love certain people is being sought as well as a justification to satisfy one's own sense of justice of retaliation (retribution) for a personal insult. This goes in direct disobedience to the command in the Old Testament as well as in the New Testament. Love your neighbor is repeated over 7 times in the New Testament. Leviticus 19: 18 'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD. Leviticus 19: 34 You must treat the foreigner living among you as native-born and love him as yourself, This is NOT saying we must allow sinful behavior to take place or even applaud it, or act like those that are sinning. Absolutely not. Jesus himself commanded that we are to love others in the new testament and gave the reason for it. For God sends rain on the just and the unjust alike and that we would be acting like him by loving others. Every Christian was once an unbeliever. Many unbeliever's may never crack open a bible; but a Christian that is loving other people without applauding sin is a living testimony of God's love and sacrifice through our love. In the Old Testament foreigners were considered unbeliever's so to speak and yet God is commanding the Israelites to love them as themselves. Jesus was reiterating this when he tells his listeners to “love those who persecute you and revile you. Do good to them. The old saying is true... you can draw more flies with honey, than vinegar.
  6. What the original poster means by anglicized is the niv written for folks in the UK; using their spellings and so forth. Some of the words and spellings differ from American english and the uk. I found this on amazon, I hope it is what your looking for. Also Bible gateway has an online nivuk version, single column that you can read online if your interested, just click on nivuk and it will bring up that version for you. https://www.amazon.com/NIV-Zondervan-Study-Bible-Anglicised/dp/1473637783
  7. It is important yes, but not through any "latter day saints of Jesus Christ" aka mormonism. Their Jesus is not the Jesus of the bible. They may use many words, phrases and so forth that is spoken by Christians, but the meanings and definitions are worlds apart.
  8. This is something that is very sinister in nature and in origin. As this activity is occultic and demon inspired. The bible is very explicit about not practicing or seeking any kind of divination, and this would include telepathy. Divination seeks to gain secret or hidden knowledge by supernatural means. Divination in any form is sin. It is not harmless entertainment or an alternate source of wisdom. Christians are to avoid any form of divination, including fortune-telling, astrology, witchcraft, tarot cards, necromancy, and spell-casting. The spirit world is real, but it is not innocent. Scripture points out that those spirits involved in this activity are evil and we are not to seek wisdom from them. Gaining any sort of wisdom in these ways, even for animals is to be avoided ! Some of these people doing this, are charlatans and others are actually using divination. Either way, trickery or the real deal... steer clear of any person that claims they have secret or hidden abilities. We humans can not read each others minds, and neither can animals. Do not ever let anyone convince you otherwise.
  9. God's word assures us and promises us that he will never leave us or forsake us. God is not done with you and since Jesus himself was tempted, he knows what it is like for us and is wonderfully able to help us. God will NEVER tell us to sin or tempt us to sin. He will NEVER lie to us. 1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness." As you grow in Christ, you will learn to discern the difference between conviction from the Holy Spirit and condemnation from the accuser which is satan. When we sin, whether intentionally or unintentionally, the Holy Spirit will make us aware of that sin and God in his love for us, draws us to himself, causing us to confess our sin and experience repentance which leads us towards trusting Jesus and relying on him to save us. Condemnation however, causes us to turn away from God in fear, dread, shame and despair. Condemnation comes from satan who is our accuser. Always trying to convince us of what a loser we are. We can also experience self condemnation which is false guilt when you blame yourself, even though you haven't sinned or after you have confessed and turned from your sin.
  10. Yes, the whole video needs to be listened to carefully. Since it was captioned, I was able to listen to the entire speech and what Graham was saying is that yes, it is possible for folks from other religions and walks of life to convert to Christianity from other religions. Not that they were already considered Christians. What he said was that God was calling folks out of such religions and situations that they were previously in. He said all of this at the beginning of the video.
  11. Not everyone that quotes a post or comments on something said in a thread is trying to put a guilt trip on someone else. My post was simply chiming in on the topic of forgiveness. That is the direction the thread has taken.
  12. Anger, bitterness and resentment gives birth to unforgiveness. Unforgiveness prevents us from fulfilling the command to love one another just as the Lord loves us. None of us deserves God's mercy, but we need to remember that the Lord has forgiven us because of who we are, not because of what we have done. Do good to those who hurt you or insult you that they may become ashamed of themselves. Praying instead for God to bless others as he did us allows God to soften our hearts towards those who either hurt or hate us so that we will have a Godly compassion on others and remove the anger and bitterness from our hearts. Forgiving those who hurt or use you, is for your benefit more than it is for the person who wronged you. First it releases you from anger and resentment. You will find it easier to forgive once you let go of being angry or bitter towards someone. As long as you want to remain angry about an event or the wrong doer...that anger will grow because you are feeding it. And the more it grows the harder it will be to forgive. Holding out, because the other person is unrepentant will eat away at you, robbing you of peace and joy. Forgiveness, means you will no longer remain angry or hold a grudge. It does not mean that the person who is abusive is escaping responsibility. It is that you are doing what God told you to do and that is that you let the wrong doer off of your hook...doesn't mean the wrong doer is off of God's hook.
  13. John 6: 40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day." This verse is Jesus speaking "everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life" Does not say … only this person or that person....but “everyone who looks to the Son” to save them through faith in him will have eternal life. Whether they are Jews or Gentiles. Both are saved in the same way. If, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. Anyone that tries to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
  14. A new or young Christian isn't going to understand all of it at once. People learn at different paces. That's why it is good for those who are more mature in Christ to mentor them and help them along. But as for the other, I agree that it is something that should NOT be thought of as acceptable. People have bought into a couple of lies since the 1980's and still believe them even though they have been proven to be false through both camps.
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    Hurry up and get well ome, your missed in the chatroom. Praying for a speedy recovery.
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