LiveWire Posted May 14, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 392 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2023 On 5/12/2023 at 1:13 PM, ChristB4us said: Nope. No. I would like to look at it free on line is all. Do you have a link or not? Dubious claim when Jews have changed the scripture to keep Christians from winning Jews to Christ from the O.T. scripture like the Jew, Apollo was doing about the Lord after becoming a believer in Jesus Christ. Acts 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. 26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. 27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace: 28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ. What we see scripture testifying of Jesus in the O.T. of the prophecies, you may see a different version in the Jews kept Bible version of the O.T. . I have. I find it hard to share scripture with them when they claim that is not what was written in their Bible and they show it too. Most annoying, but Jesus did say that those who do not love Him will not keep His words and so that can apply to that as well as modern Bibles today. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. Why do you believe it was the Jews, WHO changed the Scriptures? They did not translate their Tanakh into Greek, that was done by the Hellenized Greeks who use Greek Myth words like UNICORN, which is found 7 times in Your Version of the Old Testament. You have so much to learn and you have been trying brow beat me off of pure ignorance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted May 14, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, LiveWire said: That stipulation is strictly for Revelation. Interesting to see how you choose to use it. Certainly it was about the book of Revelation...at the end it said: if any man shall add or take from the words of the prophecy of this book... It specifies of the "words of the prophecy of this book". It applied to that generation and the generations that followed... " it is not a future as beyond our time and the time of the generations to come " it is prophetic and relevant to the generations that was given and relevant to the generations that followed and will followed... It does not forbid people of trying to interpret and write their commentaries because they also do that from the original scriptures...trying to interpret the original scriptures. John was asked to instruct the leaders of the Churches to read the letter as it was and no to change anything... Upon them was the heavy onus to read the letter without any omissions..to read even the part that criticized them, and what Jesus had to say about the prophetess ....the prophetess had to be exposed in front of the congregation and the people had to know what the Lord said about her...not to ommit those words... This is more relevant to them more specific about them.. This time Jesus came to John and told him the things about the Churches they were prophetic things about the Churches, were not "future things", within the meaning that they have not happened yet..it was prophetic about them about their generations...Jesus told them repeatedly that the next time and soon he will not sent a message with John to them but he will come to them and give to each or he will deal with them as he had informed them with John... For them not to say that the Lord is not coming because he had promised to come and after many years till all of the disciples had died...and he only came to John...because the next time he will come to the churches and to the individual believers in the churches...and the same thing will happen from there on with all the next generations to come...he promised to them he will come to them suddenly and they should be diligent to follow and remain in his instructions waiting for him to show up any time for his visit to them...and the same thing goes for the next generations to come...to expect him to come to them and not to forget about him.. This is why he left this guidance for every one...to do the things he expects from them and be ready for his coming to inspect them and reward them or reproved them in the same way as he did for the generation of John. This why he left us those words "Maranatha, come Lord Jesus come". This is a promise from Jesus that he will come in all the generations and individuals of every generation to reward them or to reprove them and correct them and tell them what he wants from them, just as he did that time with John...this the prophetic...which has taken place for the past generations and is taken place with our generations and will continue to take place for the next generations... It is written...expect Jesus to come to us from generation to generation...continously.. After reading this letter to the churches the people should get ready to welcome the visit from Jesus and be ready and say ...come Lord Jesus, come and visit us, we are ready for your visit...we have done and continue to do what you have asked from us through your servant John.. But not all because like in the parable Jesus had said to them...because the King was not yet come to them they started going their way...wasting what was the King's...they said the king will not come..but we should say "come Lord Jesus come to visit us as you promised to those churches the same promise it is also for us. For every generation. Edited May 14, 2023 by Your closest friendnt 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwalker Posted May 17, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 1,753 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/09/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2023 On 5/6/2023 at 3:21 PM, NConly said: The tongues they spoke were just other languages from other countries is what I read. And yet undniable through the power of the the Holy Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NConly Posted May 17, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,335 Content Per Day: 2.79 Reputation: 614 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2023 Status: Online Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Riverwalker said: And yet undniable through the power of the the Holy Spirit Yes through the Holy Spirit they spoke in other nations tongues. And people from other nations understood so no need for interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristB4us Posted May 26, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 956 Content Per Day: 2.40 Reputation: 275 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/02/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2023 On 5/14/2023 at 12:07 PM, LiveWire said: That stipulation is strictly for Revelation. Interesting to see how you choose to use it. Okay then. Where is the evidence that the gifts as they were manifesting in the churches, were being recorded for sharing with other churches since they share epistles with other churches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveWire Posted May 26, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 392 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, ChristB4us said: Okay then. Where is the evidence that the gifts as they were manifesting in the churches, were being recorded for sharing with other churches since they share epistles with other churches? Paul, started the 7 Churches. They ALL would have been founded on God and ALL would have full participation in the Gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristB4us Posted May 26, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 956 Content Per Day: 2.40 Reputation: 275 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/02/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, LiveWire said: Paul, started the 7 Churches. They ALL would have been founded on God and ALL would have full participation in the Gifts. I know it has been a while since our last discussion, but you were alluding to further words of God being given by prophesy and tongue with interpretation today for why the Bible is not completed and I was saying that if this was so, where is the practice of recording such weekly events from churches in epistles to share with other churches? Rather than just direct epistles from Paul, Peter, James, & John? Why is it only those kind of epistles is to be shared and none form the church itself to another church of what was given to that church by manifestation of the Holy Spirit & vise versa from other churches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted May 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2023 4 hours ago, ChristB4us said: I know it has been a while since our last discussion, but you were alluding to further words of God being given by prophesy and tongue with interpretation today for why the Bible is not completed and I was saying that if this was so, where is the practice of recording such weekly events from churches in epistles to share with other churches? Rather than just direct epistles from Paul, Peter, James, & John? Why is it only those kind of epistles is to be shared and none form the church itself to another church of what was given to that church by manifestation of the Holy Spirit & vise versa from other churches? Those are very good questions...but they are too general... And it is helpful if we look in the specific context not only to look for the answers but also for how to make our questions relevant to the context of the questions. Jesus left something with the Disciples before his ascension... Jesus when he ascended to the Father he only said that it is better if he goes away than if he stay with them the way he was after his resurrection...which was entirely different than when he was with them before his death on the Cross. He said to them it is better if he goes because if he does not go the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost ( we have to try to understand why Jesus use the word "the Holy Gost" as well as the Holy Spirit "...just keep it in mind.. Jesus also he told them that the Holy Spirit will represent him and will say and things according to his will.. Jesus also specified about a few of the things the Holy Spirit will do...or the ministry of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said that he is going but he does not leave them orphans he will give them the Holy Spirit and that they have to listen to the Holy Spirit as if they listen to him...the Holy Spirit will take from him to them. And he told them to wait for the Holy Spirit and not to do things on their own before the Holy Spirit comes... Like not to start preaching the Gospel...even though Jesus had given them authority over a lot of things and authority to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles, they were told by Jesus not to start preaching the Gospel in his name but to wait for the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit will start their ministry the way it happened with him, when at his baptism the Holy Spirit from the Father came to him and immediately took Jesus in the dessert to equipped him for his ministry. It is that on the day of Pentecost the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples first time ever...to learn to distinguish the Holy Ghost of the day of Pentecost from the Holy Spirit who was quiding the prophts of the Lord in the old Testament which was the Holy Spirit of the Lord God Almighty to make his will know to his children.. The Holy Spirit of the day of Pentecost is from the Heavenly Father because in Jesus Christ the believers in Jesus Christ were the children of the Heavenly Father...this is why the Spirit of the Heavenly Father cries Aba Father...to let us know that we are in Jesus Christ the children of the Heavenly Father that in him we have a Heavenly Inheritance with the Heavenly Father.. And to let us know that Jesus is the Messiah of God and he is with the Heavenly Father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted May 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, ChristB4us said: I know it has been a while since our last discussion, but you were alluding to further words of God being given by prophesy and tongue with interpretation today for why the Bible is not completed and I was saying that if this was so, where is the practice of recording such weekly events from churches in epistles to share with other churches? Rather than just direct epistles from Paul, Peter, James, & John? Why is it only those kind of epistles is to be shared and none form the church itself to another church of what was given to that church by manifestation of the Holy Spirit & vise versa from other churches? @ChristB4us It is better if we look in the context because we can have the answers to many of our questions by carefully study the relevant context. Jesus at his ansesion he said that he will send the Holy Spirit to quide them...instead of himself...and he made it plain and simple because the Holy Spirit will be or it can be..carefully how I say that because it is not the sane all the time even though the Holy Spirit can keep watch over us, but He also gives us our own time...because we also have our own life and family and work and many obligations and we are called to make our own decisions...which it is apparent when the Holy Spirit as a personal quide has a plan for us how to develop us and establish us in a sound mind...a sound mind to even understand spiritual things and everything else that we will come across..it helps us to discern one thing from the other... Man can learn to discern and all people know how to tell one thing from the other.. But in the Holy Spirit we kearn to discern the truth from other "truths"... All other Truths are not bad...to live a good life and with respect and with charity and love one another, and not just your own and to learn to forgive are recommended for believers and not believers even no believers in God or in any God at all are seeking after those things because they are rewards for pursuing those things...even to help one another...even going in a foreign land to help the people of a natural calamity... But the Holy Spirit can help someone distinguish that all those things are good and acceptable by God but are not the way to God who is asking people to believe in Jesus Christ whether they are good and charitable...the Holy Spirit will be in constant battle with the spirits of the world who are teaching people that God is love and if you have love in your life you have God...Spirits of this kind are in abadance in the world...even to the point that in our days all the other religions of the world have incorporated love in their culture and forgiveness and doing charity out of their close culture...imitating the Christian culture...and this is how they protect their own from the Christian influence because they make available charity for the whole world they open their doors to have a global charity like Jesus Christ teachings but without the Christ Jesus of God.. They want God without the Lamb of God the Redeemer and without forgiveness of sins in the blood of Jesus Christ..the Messiah... And they are even successful to deceive a lot of People who were born in Christian house holds...and they achieve that by speaking against the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Holy Spirit...the source that can help people to distinguish the difference and quide them to the truth without the help of anyone else... The rewards of charity and global love and forgiveness...can fill a lot of voids in the heart of people and keep them warm..which is good..never to say anything against that...but the Holy Spirit can still find a way to create a thirst in the heart of someone that he may not know where that thirst comes from...till the time he looks to Jesus Christ.. Whether is a believer wondering in the world or an unbeliever unsatisfied with what he has...still feeling thirsty for something only the Holy Spirit can quench. Paull explained that we all have problems but the Holy Spirit will supply what we need by giving us gifts from the Holy Spirit in our heart to quide us.. That's why it said that: I will give you a new heart because Jesus through the Holy Spirit will give us spiritual gifts in our heart...to help us develop a new conscience and a new awareness in our life towards the will of God... Look at the Catholic children who they have been deprived from the Holy Spirit because they are taught to be led by the Spirit of their Bishops... Look at the results the people try to fill the void in their lives by reaching out to worship of Angels for their help and are calling upon people Jesus love for their help... Do they have the Holy Spirit in their lives...yes they do, but they resist it's quidance because is not the same as the quidance of those who exercise authority over them... Edited May 26, 2023 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristB4us Posted May 26, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 956 Content Per Day: 2.40 Reputation: 275 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/02/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said: Those are very good questions...but they are too general... And it is helpful if we look in the specific context not only to look for the answers but also for how to make our questions relevant to the context of the questions. Jesus left something with the Disciples before his ascension... Jesus when he ascended to the Father he only said that it is better if he goes away than if he stay with them the way he was after his resurrection...which was entirely different than when he was with them before his death on the Cross. He said to them it is better if he goes because if he does not go the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost ( we have to try to understand why Jesus use the word "the Holy Gost" as well as the Holy Spirit "...just keep it in mind.. Jesus also he told them that the Holy Spirit will represent him and will say and things according to his will.. Jesus also specified about a few of the things the Holy Spirit will do...or the ministry of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said that he is going but he does not leave them orphans he will give them the Holy Spirit and that they have to listen to the Holy Spirit as if they listen to him...the Holy Spirit will take from him to them. And he told them to wait for the Holy Spirit and not to do things on their own before the Holy Spirit comes... Like not to start preaching the Gospel...even though Jesus had given them authority over a lot of things and authority to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles, they were told by Jesus not to start preaching the Gospel in his name but to wait for the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit will start their ministry the way it happened with him, when at his baptism the Holy Spirit from the Father came to him and immediately took Jesus in the dessert to equipped him for his ministry. It is that on the day of Pentecost the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples first time ever...to learn to distinguish the Holy Ghost of the day of Pentecost from the Holy Spirit who was quiding the prophts of the Lord in the old Testament which was the Holy Spirit of the Lord God Almighty to make his will know to his children.. The Holy Spirit of the day of Pentecost is from the Heavenly Father because in Jesus Christ the believers in Jesus Christ were the children of the Heavenly Father...this is why the Spirit of the Heavenly Father cries Aba Father...to let us know that we are in Jesus Christ the children of the Heavenly Father that in him we have a Heavenly Inheritance with the Heavenly Father.. And to let us know that Jesus is the Messiah of God and he is with the Heavenly Father. I understand that we each have the Holy Spirit for how Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd & Friend guides us through and by His words as no lie can be of the truth. But @LiveWire contention is against saying that the Bible is completed as if further revelation & edification will be coming and yet fail to show by scriptures how that is even a practice for the churches to perform to add to the N.T. For our walk with the Lord, our edification and chastening may come for those that trust Jesus Christ in being their Good Shepherd & Friend to follow Him and that can include which Bible version to rely on for the "meat " of His words to discern good & evil by as other modern Bibles have changed the message this removed the meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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