Whyme Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.94 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 On 5/27/2021 at 11:19 AM, PeterR said: Exactly! It would make no sense for someone with this gift to manifest healings among professing Christians. Healings would be justified rather as a sign among non-believers, where they are needed. Why not in hospitals then? I know. ST Jude's hospital treats kids with cancer and Shriners treats kids with disabilities. These so called healers never go there however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.94 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 On 5/28/2021 at 6:17 PM, Paul James said: Most genuine healing is not spectacular and don't get to Youtube. Most healing happens in normal church services, and people's homes, and never get into the public domain. There is a great difference between a compassionate pastor/elder, and a "healing evangelist" having mass meetings in order to advertise himself. Jesus doesn't share His glory with others. Show me one guy who had the Lord restore a limb. Some people are born without limbs. They never get healed. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggles Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2021 33 minutes ago, Whyme said: Show me one guy who had the Lord restore a limb. Some people are born without limbs. They never get healed. Why? Much depends on what people believe. Much depends on what people do not believe. Not all believe in a God that heals. Most believe in doctors and medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.94 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Waggles said: Much depends on what people believe. Much depends on what people do not believe. Not all believe in a God that heals. Most believe in doctors and medicine. You can fake healings, but not growing limbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.94 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 James said the faith of the righteous (elders) will heal people. So why are we blaming the sick for not having enough faith? James 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.94 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) Many of these so called word of faith folks believe in having great wealth. Maybe that explains why their faith doesn't actually heal the sick? James 5 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.[a] 6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you. 16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective. 1 Timothy 6:7 for we brought nothing into the world, and[c] we cannot take anything out of the world. 8 But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content.9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs. Fight the Good Fight of Faith 11 But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before[d] Pontius Pilate made the good confession, 14 to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, Edited June 2, 2021 by Whyme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggles Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2021 11 hours ago, Whyme said: Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. 11 hours ago, Waggles said: Much depends on what people believe. Much depends on what people do not believe. Not all believe in a God that heals. Most believe in doctors and medicine. So if church elders and pastors do not believe and do not have faith in the power of God to heal then not a lot happens. And given that most Christians are cessationists at heart then also the gifts of faith, healings and miracles are not enjoyed by cessationists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted June 2, 2021 14 hours ago, Whyme said: Timothy had illness but he was a student of a real apostle. I dont demand nor expect healing. All i ask of God is that He save me. Sure i pray for healing, but i'm much more interested in the new man who is incorruptible and will not decay. I want to see the place where God wipes away every tear. Thats my focus. I asked the Lord to show me the end of my days so i would know my life is just a vapor, here today and gone tomorrow. Who is to say my illness isnt really a blessing? If Illness is a blessing, why do we do all we can to get well, including going to the doctor and taking prescribed medicine? Reminds me of the two types of cows in the paddock. The religious cows choose to eat the tufts of grass with cowpats on them because suffering brings blessing, while the ordinary common-sense cows eat the good tufts of grass without the cow pats on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted June 2, 2021 14 hours ago, Whyme said: Show me one guy who had the Lord restore a limb. Some people are born without limbs. They never get healed. Why? Maybe for the same reason why He doesn't heal you when you get sick. Show me a person who doesn't go to the doctor for medical help when he gets sick. 13 hours ago, Waggles said: Much depends on what people believe. Much depends on what people do not believe. Not all believe in a God that heals. Most believe in doctors and medicine. Actually, God can heal through doctors and medicine if the sickness is curable. Many have died needlessly because of the false teaching that going to the doctor is a lack of faith and therefore sinful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggles Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2021 56 minutes ago, Paul James said: Many have died needlessly because of the false teaching that going to the doctor is a lack of faith and therefore sinful. No one is preaching this here. And in my church we do not preach faith only, but rather pray for healings and for God to bless doctors and their work upon saints who go into hospital. Lynne has a powerful testimony about how through the prayers of the saints the specialist found another malignant node hidden in a lymph gland. This doctor told Lynne that he would normally only deal with what had been detected, but for some unknown reason to himself he did a scan looking for for secondary lymphomas. Further not only where the operations for her breast cancer and this other tumour very successful, but also when Lynne underwent the chemotherapy her hair did not fall out and she suffered very minimal side effects (such as nausea). Praying in the Spirit for one another is the way to go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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