Canada: 1,000 people protest COVID-19 physical closure of GraceLife church

[Sparks]

7 hours ago, debrakay said:

I read and article on CBN that the people who tore down the fencing around the church were not members of the congregation.  I am sure there are some very upset citizens about the fencing being constructed at the cost of the taxpayer.  Even the head of their health authority said they did not order the construction of a fence so it must have been the Mounties that decided to do it.

Officials have tried this in America, too, but it always backfires on them.   It amuses me to see officials react, and then see people react to remove the barriers.

One of the best was a skate board park that officials filled with sand.  So, what do you think happened next?  Motorcycle dirt bikes started riding in their place, and mountain bikers doing their tricks.  Shortly thereafter, all the riders joined forces and dug up all the sand, and the skate boarders began to ride again. 

Americans are tenacious about their freedoms.  I am glad to see our Canadian brothers and sisters are, too! 

By the way, the death rates for Covid are about 0%.  It's the infection rates that they claim have skyrocketed.  Now if only they can get those tests to work accurately. 

[Sparks]

22 minutes ago, teddyv said:

This is absolutely political.

Nah.  It's about people being able to worship freely.  

Here in the USA, a church showed up at a local Walmart and had their service right there in the store.  I applaud that, and it demonstrates that churches could worship just as easily on any site including their own church property.   No one died from the church service at Walmart, nor at a Casino where it also happened, or other 'essential businesses' like liquor stores.   

I applaud their efforts.

[teddyv]

On 4/14/2021 at 7:36 PM, Sparks said:

Nah.  It's about people being able to worship freely.  

Here in the USA, a church showed up at a local Walmart and had their service right there in the store.  I applaud that, and it demonstrates that churches could worship just as easily on any site including their own church property.   No one died from the church service at Walmart, nor at a Casino where it also happened, or other 'essential businesses' like liquor stores.   

I applaud their efforts.

I was just reading in regard to this, in Canada, rights are not quite defined, or couched in the same language as the US. We don't have terms like 'inalienable' and what-not. Due to the enormous cultural influence of the US, many Canadians assume our rights are defined the same way (it's similar, but there are subtleties).

As to having a church meeting in a Wal-Mart or Casino, that's a far better statement and kudos to those who thought of that.

[Sparks]

54 minutes ago, teddyv said:

I was just reading in regard to this, in Canada, rights are not quite defined, or couched in the same language as the US. We don't have terms like 'inalienable' and what-not. Due to the enormous cultural influence of the US, many Canadians assume our rights are defined the same way (it's similar, but there are subtleties).

Inalienable simply means rights that cannot be taken away from us because they were given to us by God, not government.  When the forefathers established the US government, they simply put the government on notice using the Bill of Rights.     

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

As to having a church meeting in a Wal-Mart or Casino, that's a far better statement and kudos to those who thought of that.

I am glad you support it, but why do you support it?   You are confusing me.  Earlier in this thread, you were worried that people parked on private property.  Walmart and Casinos are certainly private property.

The great news is that Canadians are flexing their rights.  I like that.  People should be allow to attend their Church.

[teddyv]

5 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Inalienable simply means rights that cannot be taken away from us because they were given to us by God, not government.  When the forefathers established the US government, they simply put the government on notice using the Bill of Rights.     

I understand that interpretation (although I am not convinced they are God-given, despite the language). As I said though, the Canandian charter does not use language like this.

5 minutes ago, Sparks said:

I am glad you support it, but why do you support it?   You are confusing me.  Earlier in this thread, you were worried that people parked on private property.  Walmart and Casinos are certainly private property.

Apples and oranges. You can't compare a Wal-Mart to an indigenous people's reserve. 

5 minutes ago, Sparks said:

The great news is that Canadians are flexing their rights.  I like that.  People should be allow to attend their Church.

 

[Sparks]

2 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Apples and oranges. You can't compare a Wal-Mart to an indigenous people's reserve.

It's not apples and oranges.  Both are private property.  Private is private.

[teddyv]

Just now, Sparks said:

It's not apples and oranges.  Both are private property.  Private is private.

Uh, no. 

[Sparks]

1 minute ago, teddyv said:

Uh, no. 

So it's OK to trample on a business owners rights, but an indigenous people's reserve is wrong? 

How do you know the reserve didn't want them to park there?

[just_abc]

On 4/15/2021 at 10:36 AM, Sparks said:

No one died from the church service at Walmart, nor at a Casino where it also happened, or other 'essential businesses' like liquor stores.   

hi..  I am wondering about something.  How did they know nobody died as a result?  For example did they later test  (and re-test) everyone who was there to make sure nobody had been infected or passed the infection on to others.. including to those who were not even present?  

Please note I am just asking simply because I am wondering how it was known to be sure nobody died as a result.  

For example very very early on in this outbreak..before much was known about this virus..in some countries in Asia.. before shutdowns and mask /distancing etc.. people did not realise about the danger.. and infections had unintentionally been spread during Christian meetings etc.  And some people did die.  Even those who were not present at the meetings but caught it much later on as it spread.   

Thats why I am wondering? 

Thanks.

Edited April 17, 2021 by just_abc

[Sparks]

18 minutes ago, just_abc said:

hi..  I am wondering about something.  How did they know nobody died as a result?  For example did they later test  (and re-test) everyone who was there to make sure nobody had been infected or passed the infection on to others.. including to those who were not even present?  

Please note I am just asking simply because I am wondering how it was known to be sure nobody died as a result.  

For example very very early on in this outbreak..before much was known about this virus..in some countries in Asia.. before shutdowns and mask /distancing etc.. people did not realise about the danger.. and infections had unintentionally been spread during Christian meetings etc.  And some people did die.  Even those who were not present at the meetings but caught it much later on as it spread.   

Thats why I am wondering? 

Thanks.

Because no one did.   Now if you mean weeks later, did anyone die, ... maybe?  But the odds seem very low it would have been due to Covid 19, knowing it has over a 99% survival rate.   Someone might be able to make a case that someone caught Covid 19, but even that seems to be meaningless considering the odds of death are nil. 

It's funny how shopping in the same store is considered safe, but worshiping God in there is 'deadly.' 

The death rate for Covid 19 is about 0% in the USA.  The 500,000 they quote every 4 seconds on the news was corrected by the CDC, to be about 6% of what was reported, but the media still claims the 500K.  470,000 people died of co-morbitities, not directly related to Covid 19.

So, that's 30,000 deaths and while sad, it's about how many traffic fatalities we have each year.