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  1. just_abc

    guess what my hair will be like

    I am guessing small tight curls? * wonders what prize I might get if I guess correctly? hm.... perhaps something that might need boot polish? Just kidding! Or um maybe not! hehe many hugs to you sis
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    Jews With Out Jesus

    I think it might depend on the particular individual and the particular situation.... The word as used in a Christian context by the Christians in malaysian Borneo etc who have never been muslim.. is not used as a name though.. but as a general term i.e similar to the english word God which is also not a name. There are basically two groups of Christians in this issue I think? One is possibly the vast majority of Christians in places such as malaysian Borneo and possibly Indonesia too.. who have never been muslim but may use a certain word in their Bibles in some languages..but as a general term and not as a name.. The other group ( any converts which you are refering to I think) So the question is do that majority of Christians have to change their language and even their Bibles even though they are not doing anything wrong? Or should there be two different sets of rules for a same language that two groups of Christians use? I think that this is a difficult situation. Though it might not be exactly the same thing..a different example might be how Christians in the Usa handle situations such as english speaking mormons converting and becoming Christians? Mormonism (a cult) also uses the same english language as the Christians .. but their meaning / version is very very different than Christianity. The mormon version of Jesus for example.. is not who He really is. But mormons and even the mormon religion itself uses the same english words as Christians. So I am wondering how do Christians in the Usa handle such as situation? How do they help the new converts who used to be mormons.. to understand better who He really is and not get confused? Even though these new converts might still be using english words? Please please understand that I truly mean no offence. I just am not sure how to explain what I mean. I understand your concerns and I think the situation can be a difficult one. But.. please forgive me for asking this.. but what I don't understand is if english speaking Christians in the Usa and elsewhere don't have to change their language even though mormons use the same english words as Christians.... then why are Christians in places like Indonesia expected to change their language? Why the difference? I don't understand .. ps. I think I will bow out of this thread now as I am still off topic. My apologies to the OP and everyone for being off topic so much in this thread. Thank you for your patience with me!
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    Jews With Out Jesus

    hi A few thoughts. - Firstly it is not simply 'their' language. Christians speak Indonesian (Bahasa Indonesia) and arabic etc. It is the language of Christians too. - secondly.. As used by malaysian Borneo Christians and Indonesian Christians in their Bibles etc ..it is not used as a name but rather as a general term /title i.e similar to the english word God. That is how it is used by Christians regardless of how any non-Christians may or may not use the same word. (Just as how even if an english speaking hindu uses the same english word as an english speaking Christian.. it does not mean that both are using the word the same way..) - thirdly.. If I am not mistaken.. the majority of Christians in malaysian Borneo and possibly Indonesia too.. who use Bibles in languages which have that term.. were never muslims. It is not confusing to them. A different example might be english speaking mormons in say utah.. who convert and become Christians. Mormonism also uses english words such as God and Jesus. Yet the mormon 'version' is not who the Lord really is. It is not the same as Christianity. So a question one might ask is whether english speaking converts from mormonism to Christianity might initially be confused? And if so does that mean ALL english speaking Christians in the usa need to change their own words or Bibles? Sorry not meaning to cause any offence but was just trying to think of an example to explain what i meant Thanks.
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    Jews With Out Jesus

    Understood. But that in a sense is my point. i.e both of you were using the english language (I assume) and therefore were using the same english word but meaning very different things / meaning / view etc. It was just the word that happened to look the same.. the meaning was very different.. for you both. An english-speaking Christian might use the english word "God" to refer to the God of the Bible.. But an english speaking hindu or mormon (a cult) etc.. might use that english word to refer to whatever their religious beliefs happen to be.. Just because your colleague was using a similar word to you.. doesn't mean he was refering to the Christian meaning or beliefs.. And just because you were using a similar word to him.. does not mean you were refering to a hindu meaning or beliefs. It was just a word that looked the same that was used. That's all. Not the same meanings.
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    Jews With Out Jesus

    Vishnu is the specific / personal name of a specific deity.. so it is not used in Bibles. However in at least one or more languages used in southern India.. where the vast majority of those using that language are hindus.. the word used for God in Bibles in that language.. is the same term as hindus and other non-Christians might also use. This is because that particular word is a more general term and not a personal name. This is a normal situation for Bibles in many languages. - so with regards to the arabic / Indonesian word.. the issue is whether or not the word is considered a general term.. or a personal name.. The word is generally used in a Christian context by Christians in malaysian Borneo and Indonesia as a general term and not a personal name. It is used in a Christian context rather similar to how the english word 'God' is used by english speaking Christians. (And the english word 'God' is also not a name) . The Indonesian word came from arabic. The arabic word in turn existed long before a certain religion was founded. The word pre-dates that religion. Christianity also pre-dates that religion. And the word might possibly have been used in a Christian contexts *before* that religion. - so it isn't simply Christians taking a word used by a certain religion.. but possibly the other way around.. With regards to malaysia and Indonesia.. the vast majority of Christians in malaysia and possibly Indonesia too.. have never been muslim. Also the word was used in translating Bible verses since hundreds of years ago.. it is not something new. Sorry for long and off topic post.. but just wanted to explain. My apologies to the OP.
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    My first outing in months

    Ooooo an aquarium! Nice photos! - me thinks the folk in tank with big sharks were very *gulp* brave! Eek!!!! *swoon* hehe just kidding! um maybe many hugs to you jadey. I am so glad you got to go out hang in there sis
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    Jews With Out Jesus

    hi JustPassingThru (nice name btw ) I am not a scholar of the language either. But just a small note if I may. The arabic word for God.. or a transliteration of it.. is used by Christians in several different languages .... for example the Indonesian language (Bahasa Indonesia) etc. When used in a Christian context by Christians in malaysian Borneo or Indonesia.. it is generally used similar to how english speaking Christians use the english word "God " i.e as a general term for Him and not as a personal Name. In many languages including the english language.. both Christians and non-Christians might sometimes use the same general term to refer to a Creator. However this does not mean that both Christianity and non-Christian religions are the same thing etc. It is just the word used that is the same. That's all. Sorry just wanted to explain. Not intending to take this thread off topic. Thanks!
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    Recent Past Members

    I am not sure exactly what happened.. but I am sad I miss worthy friend.
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    Breathing again, I am back!

    Can I second that? Ome please take care ok. Concerned for you brother.
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    When it comes to schooling

    To the OP If I may ask a question. Which country are you refering to? The situation in different countries can be different. Sometimes some major issues which public schools in one country or location face might not always be the same in another country. Just a thought.
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    hi jadey many many gentle hugs to you. hang in there sis.
  12. My concerns about this current case.. is not only about this particular case.... but also about any cases in the future where people might be killed .. including Christians.... - Governments in different countries can sometimes have different issues which they consider as a threat to national security.. For example in some countries asking for democracy might be considered as a threat to national security.. In some countries Christians sharing the gospel might be considered a national security threat.. etc.. If the Usa and other countries say that whatever a government might do to its own citizens on its own soil.. is none of their business.. then what about situations where Christians are imprisoned or killed? Please please understand that I am not trying to be rude. I am just looking at this issue from a different perspective I think. Thank you. ps. Whether the Usa or other countries want to intervene or not in this particular situation.. is up to them.. But if that is going to be a general principle that things in other countries are always none of the Usa etc business.. then perhaps such a principle might also be applied in future in situations where it is Christians who are being killed or imprisoned..? Or perhaps be viewed as a double standard if it is not similarly applied.. Again this is just some general thoughts from a different perspective. Truly not meant as any offence. Thank you again.
  13. A problem with that.. (besides murder being a sin.. and the suffering that it causes to victims families and friends).. is that it might embolden the governments of other countries that they might get away with murdering civilans such as dissidents etc.. especially if they are considered a close ally of the USA.. or spend a lot of money to the USA .. Also.. the next time something like this happens in any country.. it might not necessarily be a journalist.. but it could even be say a Christian who is killed because he or she was accused of evangelism etc.. If that happens than the USA might no longer be able to speak out against it very much.. or especially act against that country .. because it might be considered as having lost the moral ground to do so.. And if the USA did try to speak out or especially act against such countries for such killing .. it might be viewed as simply hypocrisy or a double standard .. Sorry Other One.. just some general thoughts that's all. Truly no offence intended brother. Thank you.
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    The stupidity of Scientists

    With regards to 'Todays scientists' supposedly believing that mankind came from monkeys.. I am guessing the OP post is not refering to many.. perhaps even the vast majority.. of scientists in my country? Wondering. Because in countries such as mine the vast majority of the general population do not believe that humans came from monkeys .. including many or most scientists here.... Thanks.
  15. Perhaps or perhaps not.... I don't know. But if the USA says it wants to go ahead with selling arms to Saudi Arabia because the USA wants money or jobs.. and does not even temporarily put arms sales on hold as Germany has possibly just done.... I am wondering could that possibly send a message to the rest of the world that the USA cares more about getting money than about human lives.. as long as the humans are not americans? Sorry for my rather blunt question. Truly truly no offence intended to you brother. But just puzzled? Thanks.