Is God a liar, or is the creation account true?

[grahampaul]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

So the text here tells us that it isn't a literal account.

 

thou i can see your logical reasoning i disagree,that is not what or why it was written as in to allude to us it is not a literal meaning.do you have more from the word to show this is so.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

It is logically absurd to have literal mornings and evenings without a sun to have them.  By definition, it requires the sun.   So the text here tells us that it isn't a literal account.

 

Some parts of Alaska do not see the light of the sun for months but I betcha they still have breakfast in their mornings and dinner in their evenings, as strange as that may be to the rest of us.

Just yanking your chain a little

[BeyondET]

32 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

Some parts of Alaska do not see the light of the sun for months but I betcha they still have breakfast in their mornings and dinner in their evenings, as strange as that may be to the rest of us.

Just yanking your chain a little

it must of been quite humorous before the mech clock, if it was cloudy day and night for a week, out the window went the sundial and watching stars. midday or midnight was a guessing game.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

15 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

it must of been quite humorous before the mech clock, if it was cloudy day and night for a week, out the window went the sundial and watching stars. midday or midnight was a guessing game.

Its like, what time is it?

These two remind me of each other

Amos 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day

Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour  was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

When the true light of the world was being crucified there while the sun is darkened at noon

 

[The Barbarian]

13 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

When the true light of the world was being crucified there while the sun is darkened at noon

But that wasn't evening, was it?   Nor did the Bible says it was.  I hadn't thought of that point, but it's a great one.

 

[The Barbarian]

15 hours ago, BeyondET said:

before the invention of the mech clock, evening and morning dusk and dawn was extremely hard to figure out way back when, its about 18 minutes at sun rise and sun set with light but no shadow to gauge time.

There were various devices used as clocks, including vessels of water that ran out at known rates, hourglasses, etc.

But since "morning" and "evening" are reckoned by the sun, that changed with the seasons.

 

 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

14 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

But that wasn't evening, was it?   Nor did the Bible says it was.  I hadn't thought of that point, but it's a great one.

 

No, I dont believe it was called evening, I see where it mentions noon (or the sixth hour). 

But you know, there was evening and morning the first day in Genesis 1:5 before God made the two great lights there.

[The Barbarian]

9 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

But you know, there was evening and morning the first day in Genesis 1:5 before God made the two great lights there.

Yes, that's how we know the days of Genesis are figurative, not literal days.

 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

11 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Yes, that's how we know the days of Genesis are figurative, not literal days.

 

I was thinking, the lights were expected to divide the day from the night (as God appointed what they were to do in Genesis 1:14) these serving for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years right? And yet we know there was mention of what we call evening and morning before those specific lights were set in their place to divide between them (the evening and the morning). So wouldn't the lights division of the evening and mornings fall right in line naturally within the time frame of the evening and morning which were before them? Was that sentence too long and squishy?

Psalm 113:3 From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the LORD'S name is to be praised.

Psalm 104:9 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

What if the evenng and the morning were 12 hours a piece prior to the lights being set and just remained that same time period after being set to divide between the evening and the morning?

I find this very interesting right now for some reason

[The Barbarian]

10 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

I was thinking, the lights were expected to divide the day from the night (as God appointed what they were to do in Genesis 1:14) these serving for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years right?

Interesting idea.  This is why we define things like seasons, days, mornings, and evenings, in terms of astronomical bodies.  By definition.

10 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

And yet we know there was mention of what we call evening and morning before those specific lights were set in their place to divide between them (the evening and the morning).

Yes.  This is the text telling us that those are not literal days, mornings, or evenings.

10 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

Psalm 104:9 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

This is more figurative language.  The sun has no consciousness.   

10 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

What if the evenng and the morning were 12 hours a piece prior to the lights being set and just remained that same time period after being set to divide between the evening and the morning?

There would be no morning or evening before there was a sun.  By definition, those terms describe the position of the sun at different times.