Jerusalem Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great Of Revelation Chapter 17

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25 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Your claim is "Error", Jesus will return to earth and human eyes will witness this return

What happens when someone sees the face of God? Ex 33:20

We rise to meet Him in His glory at His coming for the kingdom.

Everyone left on planet earth dies.

 

25 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

 

Revelation 1:7KJV

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Luke 21:25-28KJV

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

70 AD destruction of Jerusalem.

Jesus came in Spirit as God at the destruction of Jerusalem, but it wasn't a resurrection coming, the resurrection coming has yet to happen.

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Some passages are describing the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem.

Some are describing the second coming for salvation, yet to happen.

This is where many problems happen because the 2 events are mixed together.

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28 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

The Beast of Revelation 13 is a literal human man, and is seen in Daniel chapter 7, 9, 11, all the same bad guy

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The Greek Antiochus was an Antichrist, there are many, but not the Antichrist of Jesus' time who destroyed Jerusalem.

28 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

This human man will be a king/ruler of Jewish/Hebrew decent

Prove that the Antichrist is a Jew.

 

28 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

, and will be destroyed at the coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

2 Thessalonians 2:8KJV

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

This was written before the 70 AD destruction when it was revealed that Caesar is the Antichrist.

The form of Caesar and Rome has changed over centuries, but still exists to this day, waiting to be destroyed at the second coming for salvation.

 

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

 

We agree that the Rev 17 woman is Jerusalem.

What makes you believe that Rev 17 is future and not past?

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1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Yes, the little horn lasts until the last judgment, but he is here now and has been for over 2000 years.

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Consider this, John in Rev 17, says that the 6th head "is", so the beast is alive during the time that the Rev was written.

Who was the 6th head of John's time?

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The life of the beast began before the time of John with the 1st head.

Who was the 1st head?

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The control of the beast (nation) continues after the 6th head of John's time dies.

Who is the 7th head?

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The verse that you quoted in Dan 9:27 is about Jesus confirming the covenant and not the Antichrist. Gal 3:17

I Disagree, Daniel 9:27 clearly shows a "He" a literal human man with a personal pronoun 

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Edited February 1, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Show me where it says that the 2 witnesses are resurrected before they are in sackcloth.

According to Zech 4, the witnesses are the Law and the Prophets that Israel possesses.

 

Show me where it says that these are literal.

 

The children of Israel are killed in present day Jerusalem.

 

Yes

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This revealing of the Antichrist happened in the 70 AD period when Caesar and Rome destroyed Jerusalem. It was revealed that Caesar was the Antichrist and that the 4th beast of Dan 7 was Rome.

Preterist 70AD fulfillment is a farce, the Antichrist seen below "He" will be fulfilling Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation seen below in the "Future"

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, abcdef said:

We agree that the Rev 17 woman is Jerusalem.

What makes you believe that Rev 17 is future and not past?

When Was the Book of Revelation Written?

By Wayne Jackson

Traditionally, the book of Revelation has been dated near the end of the first century, around A.D. 96. Some writers, however, have advanced the preterist (from a Latin word meaning “that which is past”) view, contending that the Apocalypse was penned around A.D. 68 or 69, and thus the thrust of the book is supposed to relate to the impending destruction of Jerusalem (A.D. 70).

A few prominent names have been associated with this position (e.g., Stuart, Schaff, Lightfoot, Foy E. Wallace Jr.), and for a brief time it was popular with certain scholars. James Orr has observed, however, that recent criticism has reverted to the traditional date of near A.D. 96 (1939, 2584). In fact, the evidence for the later date is extremely strong.

In view of some of the bizarre theories that have surfaced in recent times (e.g., the notion that all end-time prophecies were fulfilled with the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70), which are dependent upon the preterist interpretation, we offer the following.

External Evidence

The external evidence for the late dating of Revelation is of the highest quality.

Irenaeus

Irenaeus (A.D. 180), a student of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John), wrote that the apocalyptic vision “was seen not very long ago, almost in our own generation, at the close of the reign of Domitian” (Against Heresies 30). The testimony of Irenaeus, not far removed from the apostolic age, is first rate. He places the book near the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96. Irenaeus seems to be unaware of any other view for the date of the book of Revelation.

Clement of Alexandria

Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 155-215) says that John returned from the isle of Patmos “after the tyrant was dead” (Who Is the Rich Man? 42), and Eusebius, known as the “Father of Church History,” identifies the “tyrant” as Domitian (Ecclesiastical History III.23).

Even Moses Stuart, America’s most prominent preterist, admitted that the “tyrant here meant is probably Domitian.” Within this narrative, Clement further speaks of John as an “old man.” If Revelation was written prior to A.D. 70, it would scarcely seem appropriate to refer to John as an old man, since he would only have been in his early sixties at this time.

Victorinus

Victorinus (late third century), author of the earliest commentary on the book of Revelation, wrote:

When John said these things, he was in the island of Patmos, condemned to the mines by Caesar Domitian. There he saw the Apocalypse; and when at length grown old, he thought that he should receive his release by suffering; but Domitian being killed, he was liberated (Commentary on Revelation 10:11).

Jerome

Jerome (A.D. 340-420) said,

In the fourteenth then after Nero, Domitian having raised up a second persecution, he [John] was banished to the island of Patmos, and wrote the Apocalypse (Lives of Illustrious Men 9).

To all of this may be added the comment of Eusebius, who contends that the historical tradition of his time (A.D. 324) placed the writing of the Apocalypse at the close of Domitian’s reign (III.18). McClintock and Strong, in contending for the later date, declare that “there is no mention in any writer of the first three centuries of any other time or place” (1969, 1064). Upon the basis of external evidence, therefore, there is little contest between the earlier and later dates.

Internal Evidence

The contents of the book of Revelation also suggest a late date, as the following observations indicate.

The spiritual conditions of the churches described in Revelation chapters two and three more readily harmonize with the late date.

The church in Ephesus, for instance, was not founded by Paul until the latter part of Claudius’s reign: and when he wrote to them from Rome, A.D. 61, instead of reproving them for any want of love, he commends their love and faith (Eph. 1:15) (Horne 1841, 382).

Yet, when Revelation was written, in spite of the fact that the Ephesians had been patient (2:2), they had also left their first love (v. 4), and this would seem to require a greater length of time than seven or eight years, as suggested by the early date.

Another internal evidence of a late date is that this book was penned while John was banished to Patmos (1:9). It is well known that Domitian had a fondness for this type of persecution. If, however, this persecution is dated in the time of Nero, how does one account for the fact that Peter and Paul are murdered, yet John is only exiled to an island? (Eusebius III.18; II.25).

Then consider this fact. The church at Laodicea is represented as existing under conditions of great wealth. She was rich and had need of nothing (3:17). In A.D. 60, though, Laodicea had been almost entirely destroyed by an earthquake. Surely it would have required more than eight or nine years for that city to have risen again to the state of affluence described in Revelation.

The doctrinal departures described in Revelation would appear to better fit the later dating. For example, the Nicolaitans (2:6, 15) were a full-fledged sect at the time of John’s writing, whereas they had only been hinted at in general terms in 2 Peter and Jude, which were written possibly around A.D. 65-66.

Persecution for professing the Christian faith is evidenced in those early letters to the seven churches of Asia Minor. For instance, Antipas had been killed in Pergamum (2:13). It is generally agreed among scholars, however, that Nero’s persecution was mostly confined to Rome; further, it was not for religious reasons (Harrison 1964, 446).

Edited February 1, 2022 by truth7t7

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1 hour ago, abcdef said:

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The Greek Antiochus was an Antichrist, there are many, but not the Antichrist of Jesus' time who destroyed Jerusalem.

Prove that the Antichrist is a Jew.

 

This was written before the 70 AD destruction when it was revealed that Caesar is the Antichrist.

The form of Caesar and Rome has changed over centuries, but still exists to this day, waiting to be destroyed at the second coming for salvation.

 

 

 

 

Caesar wasn't destroyed by the brightness of Jesus Christ coming, he committed suicide,  and Jesus didnt return in the 1st century

Preterist eschatology in 1st century fulfillment is a farce, more holes than swiss cheese

If it dosent fit the Preterist 1st century fulfillment, its removed through symbolic allegory

Edited February 1, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Prove that the Antichrist is a Jew.

 

This was written before the 70 AD destruction when it was revealed that Caesar is the Antichrist.

The form of Caesar and Rome has changed over centuries, but still exists to this day, waiting to be destroyed at the second coming for salvation.

 

 

 

 

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

 

 

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Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God

 

wilderness:  immigration

a place prepared by God:  a church

 

 

The wilderness cannot refer to Rome, because Revelation refers to the end times – our era. At our time Rome is simply the capital of an ethnic(not a multicultural) country – Italy.

 

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But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

 

 

wings of a great eagle:  airplane

great eagle:  bald eagle USA symbol

 

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Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

 

Washington D.C. is built on 7 hills. The isopsephy value of queen in Greek (BASILISSA) is equal to that of New York in Greek (NEA YORKH). A large Jewish community exists in New York, especially in Brooklyn.  Two different simple mathematical transformations can link the New Jerusalem cube with a theoretical “New New York” cube, one centered at Manhattan(skyscrapers) and the other at Brooklyn. One transformation relies on the use of an equal-volume sphere and the other on the golden mean constant(divine proportion).

 

The woman and the dragon represent an astronomical – constellation marker that defines astronomical phenomena that define the time of the end times. As I have posted in the past this refers to the Apollo missions.  The woman is Virgo and the dragon is Scorpio. What is called by many "7 year tribulation period" has passed.

Edited February 1, 2022 by Spiros

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9 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I Disagree, Daniel 9:27 clearly shows a "He" a literal human man with a personal pronoun 

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Dan 9:27, Is talking about Jesus confirming the covenant already in force with Israel and the Fathers.

Gal 3:17, Is proof that Jesus confirmed the covenant before God.

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By the way, I am not a preterist.