Retrobyter Posted January 27, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,627 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,460 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted January 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, truth7t7 said: Jesus Christ is the Alpha/Omega he is outside of time and space, he is eternal, and those seen in Revelation 20:1-6 are in the Lords eternal, God is a Spirit, and his world is Spiritual More nonsense. Yeshua` is the Messiah of God, and IF you check it out carefully, you will find that it was GOD THE FATHER who said "I am the Alpha and Omega!" Ah! So you are saying that the noun is "world!" It is the "Lord's eternal, spiritual WORLD." Well, first of all, you have a wrong idea of "eternal." "Eternal" is NOT "no time"; it is INFINITE time! Second, you have a faulty definition of "spiritual." I CHALLENGE you to define the term "spiritual." I don't think you can do it adequately, because you're too often using the word without a good understanding of the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted January 27, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Retrobyter said: Shalom, t7t7. Now, you're just repeating yourself. Zechariah 14 is NOT the eternal Kingdom, BECAUSE the river seen in Zechariah 14 is NOT the same river as in Revelation22:1-2! JUST DIG OUT A MAP OF ISRAEL AND LOOK AT IT! The Dead Sea is about 48 miles from the Mediterranean Sea! The width of the New Jerusalem is 1,380 miles! HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SAY THAT THESE RIVERS ARE THE SAME?! IT'S TIME TO THINK! We disagree, Zechariah 14 represents the eternal Kingdom "After" the day of the Lord takes place, same fire in final judgement of man seen in Zachariah 14:12, Luke 17:29-30, Revelation 20:7-9, 2 Peter 3:10 Same river of Life in Zechariah 14:8 as is seen in Revelation 22:1-2 We have run about the bush on Zechariah 14, the horse is dead Jesus Is The Lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted January 27, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,627 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,460 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted January 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, truth7t7 said: We disagree, Zechariah 14 represents the eternal Kingdom "After" the day of the Lord takes place, same fire in final judgement of man seen in Zachariah 14:12, Luke 17:29-30, Revelation 20:7-9, 2 Peter 3:10 Same river of Life in Zechariah 14:8 as is seen in Revelation 22:1-2 We have run about the bush on Zechariah 14, the horse is dead Jesus Is The Lord You're right; we're apparently at an impass. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I still think you should get out a map of the Middle East which includes the state of Israel, and see where the seas are and where the rivers would flow from Jerusalem to them. They're just too short to be the river mentioned in Revelation 22:1-2. Anyway, have a good night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted January 27, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, truth7t7 said: Deleted  Edited January 27, 2022 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted January 27, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Retrobyter said: You're right; we're apparently at an impass. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I still think you should get out a map of the Middle East which includes the state of Israel, and see where the seas are and where the rivers would flow from Jerusalem to them. They're just too short to be the river mentioned in Revelation 22:1-2. Anyway, have a good night. A map of this present earth has absolutely no value, Zechariah 14 is a "New Creation" as the plain is lifted up, "New" Good Night, Jesus Is The Lord Zechariah 14:10KJV 10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. Edited January 27, 2022 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted January 27, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Retrobyter said: More nonsense. Yeshua` is the Messiah of God, and IF you check it out carefully, you will find that it was GOD THE FATHER who said "I am the Alpha and Omega!" Ah! So you are saying that the noun is "world!" It is the "Lord's eternal, spiritual WORLD." Well, first of all, you have a wrong idea of "eternal." "Eternal" is NOT "no time"; it is INFINITE time! Second, you have a faulty definition of "spiritual." I CHALLENGE you to define the term "spiritual." I don't think you can do it adequately, because you're too often using the word without a good understanding of the word. Jesus Christ is the Alpha/Omega, Jesus Christ will come quickly, Jesus Christ sent his angel to testify, Jesus Christ is the root and offspring of David, the bright and morning star Revelation 22:12-16KJV 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Edited January 27, 2022 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted January 27, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,627 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,460 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Retrobyter said: More nonsense. Yeshua` is the Messiah of God, and IF you check it out carefully, you will find that it was GOD THE FATHER who said "I am the Alpha and Omega!" Ah! So you are saying that the noun is "world!" It is the "Lord's eternal, spiritual WORLD." Well, first of all, you have a wrong idea of "eternal." "Eternal" is NOT "no time"; it is INFINITE time! Second, you have a faulty definition of "spiritual." I CHALLENGE you to define the term "spiritual." I don't think you can do it adequately, because you're too often using the word without a good understanding of the word. Oh, no! You're not going to get away with changing the Scripture that easily! Here's what the passage in Revelation 1 says: Revelation 1:1-8 (KJV) 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come [THIS IS YHWH GOD!]; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending," saith the LORD, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. [That's YHWH GOD, the FATHER! Look back at verse 4!] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted January 27, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,627 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,460 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, truth7t7 said: Jesus Christ is the Alpha/Omega, Jesus Christ will come quickly, Jesus Christ sent his angel to testify, Jesus Christ is the root and offspring of David, the bright and morning star Revelation 22:12-16KJV 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. OH, no! You're not getting away with changing Scripture that easily! Here's the whole passage in Revelation 1: Revelation 1:1-8 (KJV) 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending," saith the LORD, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. [This is YHWH GOD, the FATHER! Refer back to verse 4!] So, when we look at Revelation 22, we have MULTIPLE Persons speaking! Revelation 22:6-21 (KJV) 6 And he [the "angel" or messenger] said unto me, "These sayings are faithful and true: and the LORD God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. 7"'Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.'" 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel [messenger] which shewed me these things. 9 Then saith he [the "angel" or messenger] unto me, "See thou do it not! for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God [the Father]! 10 And he saith unto me, "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 "'And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.' 13 "'I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last!' 14 "Blessed are they that do his [GOD'S] commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without (outside) are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16"'I Jesus have sent mine angel [messenger] to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.'" 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him that heareth say, "Come!" And let him that is athirst come! And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God [the Father] shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God [the Father] shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book!" 20 He which testifieth these things saith, "Surely I come quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. {THE END.} These are NOT all quotes from the Son of God, Yeshua` the Messiah of God; some of these are quotes DIRECTLY from the Father! 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truth7t7 Posted January 27, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Retrobyter said: OH, no! You're not getting away with changing Scripture that easily! Here's the whole passage in Revelation 1: Revelation 1:1-8 (KJV) 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending," saith the LORD, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. [This is YHWH GOD, the FATHER! Refer back to verse 4!] So, when we look at Revelation 22, we have MULTIPLE Persons speaking! Revelation 22:6-21 (KJV) 6 And he [the "angel" or messenger] said unto me, "These sayings are faithful and true: and the LORD God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. 7"'Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.'" 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel [messenger] which shewed me these things. 9 Then saith he [the "angel" or messenger] unto me, "See thou do it not! for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God [the Father]! 10 And he saith unto me, "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 "'And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.' 13 "'I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last!' 14 "Blessed are they that do his [GOD'S] commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without (outside) are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16"'I Jesus have sent mine angel [messenger] to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.'" 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him that heareth say, "Come!" And let him that is athirst come! And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God [the Father] shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God [the Father] shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book!" 20 He which testifieth these things saith, "Surely I come quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. {THE END.} These are NOT all quotes from the Son of God, Yeshua` the Messiah of God; some of these are quotes DIRECTLY from the Father! Do you believe in the trinity? 1 John 5:7KJV 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Do you believe Jesus Christ is "God"? John 1:1KJV 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  Edited January 27, 2022 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted January 27, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,627 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,460 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted January 27, 2022 3 hours ago, truth7t7 said: Do you believe in the trinity? 1 John 5:7KJV 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Do you believe Jesus Christ is "God"? John 1:1KJV 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Â Shalom, t7t7. What difference does it make how I believe about the Trinity? Don't MIX UP WHAT THE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY SAID! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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