Miracles

[The Barbarian]

2 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Would you consider Jewish carpenters to be skilled in the current theories of astrophysics?

Nope.   Jesus, when he became man, accepted many of the limitations of men.   I suppose not knowing the details of astrophysics might be one of those.

[enoob57]

On 4/8/2022 at 6:15 PM, BeyondET said:

That hinges on how Yom is interpreted, where those days civil days, sidereal days, galactic days or days we can't comprehend for there was no sun on the first couple of days, least til the third.

no it doesn't

Genesis 1:5 (KJV)

[5] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

evening and morning have always been evening and morning!

Exodus 20:8 (KJV)

[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

a comparative of a natural week is equal to the week God created... Yom is clearly defined by God unless you twist it then it says what you are saying!

[The Barbarian]

13 hours ago, enoob57 said:

a comparative of a natural week is equal to the week God created... Yom is clearly defined by God unless you twist it then it says what you are saying!

That's an assumption that adds to what scripture says.    And God gave "yom" the following meanings:

afternoon* (1), age (8), age* (1), all (1), always* (14), amount* (2), battle (1), birthday* (1), Chronicles* (38), completely* (1), continually* (14), course* (1), daily (22), daily the days (1), day (1115), day of the days (1), day that the period (1), day's (6), day's every day (1), daylight* (1), days (635), days on the day (1), days to day (1), days you shall daily (1), days ago (1), days' (11), each (1), each day (4), entire (2), eternity (1), evening* (1), ever in your life* (1), every day (2), fate (1), first (5), forever* (11), forevermore* (1), full (5), full year (1), future* (1), holiday* (3), later* (2), length (1), life (12), life* (1), lifetime (2), lifetime* (1), live (1), long (2), long as i live (1), long* (11), midday* (1), now (5), older* (1), once (2), period (3), perpetually* (2), present (1), recently (1), reigns (1), ripe* (1), short-lived* (1), so long* (1), some time (1), survived* (2), time (45), time* (1), times* (2), today (172), today* (1), usual (1), very old* (1), when (10), when the days (1), whenever (1), while (3), whole (2), year (10), yearly (5), years (13), yesterday* (1).

https://www.biblehub.com/hebrew/3117.htm

 

 

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

That's an assumption that adds to what scripture says.    And God gave "yom" the following meanings:

It is what Scripture says... onus is all on you to accept or reject!

[missmuffet]

On 3/1/2022 at 4:48 AM, RV_Wizard said:

There are about 127 miracles listed in the Bible.  A miracle is something that happens in defiance of natural law; an ax head floating in the water, water changing to wine, dead people returning to life etc.  Some may think that believers are poorly educated to believe that such things could have actually happened.  In fact, it is our understanding of natural law that reaffirms our faith.  We know a man couldn't walk on water in the natural world.  However, we also know that this world is a construction of the Creator whose will supersedes natural law.  We know that our Lord could reverse the spin of the earth if He so desired, and could do so without consequence.  We KNOW that Jesus is the son of God and that He was raised from the dead first because we believed it and then because the Holy Spirit confirmed it.  This is not scientific.  However the creation serves the will of the Creator, not vice versa.

Yes, well said 

[missmuffet]

7 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

That's an assumption that adds to what scripture says.    And God gave "yom" the following meanings:

afternoon* (1), age (8), age* (1), all (1), always* (14), amount* (2), battle (1), birthday* (1), Chronicles* (38), completely* (1), continually* (14), course* (1), daily (22), daily the days (1), day (1115), day of the days (1), day that the period (1), day's (6), day's every day (1), daylight* (1), days (635), days on the day (1), days to day (1), days you shall daily (1), days ago (1), days' (11), each (1), each day (4), entire (2), eternity (1), evening* (1), ever in your life* (1), every day (2), fate (1), first (5), forever* (11), forevermore* (1), full (5), full year (1), future* (1), holiday* (3), later* (2), length (1), life (12), life* (1), lifetime (2), lifetime* (1), live (1), long (2), long as i live (1), long* (11), midday* (1), now (5), older* (1), once (2), period (3), perpetually* (2), present (1), recently (1), reigns (1), ripe* (1), short-lived* (1), so long* (1), some time (1), survived* (2), time (45), time* (1), times* (2), today (172), today* (1), usual (1), very old* (1), when (10), when the days (1), whenever (1), while (3), whole (2), year (10), yearly (5), years (13), yesterday* (1).

https://www.biblehub.com/hebrew/3117.htm

 

 

But you are Catholic. You may have different interpretations from those who are not RCC. 

[The Barbarian]

On 4/13/2022 at 4:20 PM, missmuffet said:

But you are Catholic. You may have different interpretations from those who are not RCC. 

In this case, even most non-Catholics have the same orthodox undertstanging.  Bottom line, "yom" has a variety of meanings in scripture.    Inserting "24-hour day" for "yom" is not justified.

Edited April 14, 2022 by The Barbarian

[The Barbarian]

On 4/13/2022 at 10:15 AM, enoob57 said:

It is what Scripture says...

Scripture itself tells us it's not  literal 24 hour days.   The onus is on you to accept or reject.

 

[RV_Wizard]

The Hebrew yom occurs 2,282 times outside Genesis 1. It occurs 359 times with a number outside Genesis 1. Some of these occurrences use cardinal numbers (one, two, three, etc.) and some use ordinal numbers (first, second, third, etc.). However, in all 359 cases, the context clearly shows that a 24-hour day is being referenced.

Yom occurs 19 times outside Genesis 1, together with either the word “morning” or “evening.” In all 19 cases, a 24-hour day is clearly intended.

The words “morning” and “evening” occur together, without “day” 38 times outside Genesis 1. Each of these occurrences refers to a literal 24-hour day.

Finally, the Hebrew yom occurs with the word “night” 53 times outside Genesis 1. Guess what! Each of these occurrences refers to a 24-hour day.

Given this immense contextual evidence, one is tempted to ask somewhat flippantly, “What could God have done to emphasize that the days of Genesis 1 are literal 24-hour days? Might I suggest that He could have used the Hebrew yom together with numbers, morning, evening or night? And that is exactly what He did!

https://creationtoday.org/the-hebrew-yom-taking-one-day-at-a-time/

[The Barbarian]

On 4/17/2022 at 6:36 PM, RV_Wizard said:

Given this immense contextual evidence, one is tempted to ask somewhat flippantly, “What could God have done to emphasize that the days of Genesis 1 are literal 24-hour days? Might I suggest that He could have used the Hebrew yom together with numbers, morning, evening or night? And that is exactly what He did!

That kind of eisegesis is probably not a very good way of interpreting scripture.    We should not worship our ability to reason.