Sparks Posted September 23, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, one.opinion said: Here are three main reasons why your explanation is insufficient. 1. You are mistaking a preference for an insertion site with a requirement. 2. You have not explained the identical outcomes of genetic decomposition in two separate species over tens of thousands of samples. 3. You have not explained how these tens of thousands of sequences have become fixated in the human genome in roughly 6,000 years. Fixated means that a sequence has increased in prevalence to the point that virtually all members of a population have the same feature. “It was debunked 23 years ago” is simply false. I think you cling to the idea of our ERVs being handed down from apes because you must. So far, its your only hope that evolution is true, but I have already quoted people that say that hot spots are a preference of ERVs. If you doubt the scientists I quoted who telling you this, why not go pester them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted September 23, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.10 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, David1701 said: The points of theological import are, emphatically, NOT shared! That’s hardly a fair criticism when you don’t know what my claim is. From my perspective, there are several theological first order points. What you have listed are second or third order. First order points include: 1. God is creator of the universe and all things in it. 2. God created humans special and capable of communion with Him. 3. Humans rebelled and chose their own way rather than obedience to God. 4. The choice of disobedience broke the relationship between humans and God. 5. God foretold of an eventual way for that relationship to be restored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted September 23, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.10 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sparks said: but I have already quoted people that say that hot spots are a preference of ERVs. All you have demonstrated is a misunderstanding of the evidence. Look back at the first point I gave you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted September 23, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.10 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, David1701 said: https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/9789814508728_0014 This is a report regarding a couple of computer programs that Dr. Sanford believes show that genetic entropy proves that large-scale evolution is not possible. Computer programs are not evidence. What evidence do you have that supports the hypothesis of genetic entropy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted September 23, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, one.opinion said: All you have demonstrated is a misunderstanding of the evidence. Look back at the first point I gave you. Why don't you write these authors and prove your point to them your point? I am sure it would turn out like you choosing to debate Kent Hovind since you are not doing the experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted September 23, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.10 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, Sparks said: Why don't you write these authors and prove your point to them your point? The authors never made the claim you are making. You are misunderstanding, and therefore misinterpreting, the evidence. You don’t understand point 1 and won’t even touch point 2 or 3, yet you are going to ignore all of it and proclaim all of the evidence debunked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted September 23, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2022 9 hours ago, one.opinion said: The authors never made the claim you are making. You are misunderstanding, and therefore misinterpreting, the evidence. You don’t understand point 1 and won’t even touch point 2 or 3, yet you are going to ignore all of it and proclaim all of the evidence debunked. Yeah, they did make the claim. I think you are the one who does not understand. They pick their hotspots and that ruins your claim, and they also move around. One guy said that the effect was 280 times higher than mathematically predicted. I know you don't like math, but that's way, way higher than predicted. The truth is that 14 out of 98,000 human ERVs are found in the same location as 14 chimp ERVs, which mean just .00014% are the same. But this also means that 99.99986% are not the same! Any port in a storm, though. If 14 of 98,000 are the same, that's good enough for government work. Evolution is not science, but I guess you could call it junk science. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted September 23, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.10 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2022 51 minutes ago, Sparks said: Yeah, they did make the claim. Your claim that hotspots preclude common ancestry is not shared by the authors. 1 hour ago, Sparks said: The truth is that 4 out of 98,000 human ERVs are found in the same location as 14 chimp ERVs That is not only untrue, but reveals your lack of understanding of this topic. Your new argument is completely inconsistent with your old one. ERVs cannot both show extreme identity in location and sequence due to hotspots AND simultaneously not show extreme identity and location. It is also physically impossible for 4 sequence to share a location with 14 sequences, yet you claim that I am bad at math. Further, you continue to ignore additional points I raised. This conversation takes too much time and is too frustrating for me to continue. I really don’t care enough about what you think to try to change your mind any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted September 23, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, one.opinion said: This conversation takes too much time and is too frustrating for me to continue. I really don’t care enough about what you think to try to change your mind any longer. Yes, and the fact that you have lost this debate long ago means that I have wasted time talking with you about it. ERVs are not evidence of humans coming from apes, or toads or anything else. I corrected my typo changing it from 4 to 14. If all you have against my case is a typo, ... well good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted September 23, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,063 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 15 hours ago, Sparks said: What evidence do you have that God didn't speed up time placing stars in the heavens where they are today? What says otherwise? If you can call in a non-scriptural miracle to clean up any problems in your ideas, then all ideas are equally plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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