chesed Posted July 30, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 310 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 154 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/17/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2022 On 7/27/2022 at 11:08 AM, Slibhin said: Why would anyone want to stay married to someone who doesn't want to be? Do you mean like Hosea with Gomer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesed Posted July 30, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 310 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 154 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/17/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2022 9 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: I also believe that it should require 2 person consent to divorce just like it does to marry. And if God says He hates divorce? (Mal 2:16) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted July 30, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,049 Content Per Day: 1.61 Reputation: 597 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2022 59 minutes ago, chesed said: And if God says He hates divorce? (Mal 2:16) Yes, God hates divorce. But he also permits it. Real Christians should never get divorced, but unfortunately not all Christians obey God. Divorce is giving up, and personally I don't believe the true follower of God EVER gives up. Hope that didn't complicate it further. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted July 30, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,049 Content Per Day: 1.61 Reputation: 597 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2022 7 hours ago, Slibhin said: Great, if he is beating the tar out of her he has a means of forcing her to remain in his life. You twist my words. I never said a person should be required to live with their spouse. I only said they shouldn't be allowed to divorce them. If people were only allowed 1 marriage in life, I am confident that people would wait longer and be far more careful when choosing their spouse. I don't believe abuse is ever right or that people should stay together in abuse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladypeartree Posted July 30, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 37 Topic Count: 540 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 32,938 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 23,690 Days Won: 232 Joined: 06/21/2006 Status: Online Birthday: 02/23/1953 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Ok so I left my abusive husband and took our children ( who he had threatened to kill and hid ) According to you I should not have been able to protect the children as he had equal right to them . If I had not been able to divorce him I would not have had the legal right to stop him from disapearing with them and harming them Not everything is black and white when it comes to people and I did believe we would be together for life or I wouldnt have suffered 10 years of abuse that only showed up AFTER we were married 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted July 30, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,049 Content Per Day: 1.61 Reputation: 597 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2022 13 minutes ago, ladypeartree said: Ok so I left my abusive husband and took our children ( who he had threatened to kill and hid ) According to you I should not have been able to protect the children as he had equal right to them . If I had not been able to divorce him I would not have had the legal right to stop him from disapearing with them and harming them Not everything is black and white when it comes to people and I did believe we would be together for life or I wouldnt have suffered 10 years of abuse that only showed up AFTER we were married I'm truly sorry to hear that you and your kids had to go through that. I admit there are many gray areas, even in places scripture seems to allow only 1 course of action for. In my opinion, a parent always has the responsibility to protect their kids, but I also believe parents give up too easily sometimes. I am not making any judgement on you. Only Jesus has the right to say if you did right or wrong. I pray safety for you and peace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladypeartree Posted July 30, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 37 Topic Count: 540 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 32,938 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 23,690 Days Won: 232 Joined: 06/21/2006 Status: Online Birthday: 02/23/1953 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Thank you ..it was many years ago but I just want to make sure others dont feel condemned for doing what is needed  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesed Posted July 30, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 310 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 154 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/17/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Slibhin said: G-d told him to marry her and forgive her adultery. Not sure what you're getting at. The point is, although God told him to marry Gomer and forgive her adultery, maybe we should do likewise in our difficult marital situations. Edited July 30, 2022 by chesed clarity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesed Posted August 3, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 310 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 154 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/17/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2022 47 minutes ago, Slibhin said: Some problems cannot be solved via forgiveness. Once physical violence, adultery or abuse enters the picture a spouse has a duty to leave in my opinion. Most problems can be solved through a forgiving spirit or at least be diffused so they won't escalate. After all, God forgave us in Jesus Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Von Posted August 5, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1,265 Topics Per Day: 0.44 Content Count: 2,637 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 760 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/04/1972 Share Posted August 5, 2022 The important is to be right before Jesus. If the person is behaving pursuant to the standards of the Kingdom of Heaven, hardly ever this person will be forsaken by the spouse. And, if this happens, certainly will care for this person in a supernatural way: 1Co 7:12-16 -> " To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is n unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace. For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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