Dan Knight Posted September 12, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 236 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/26/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/03/1958 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) ("And also Jesus restored to righteousness the thief on the Cross, him also without asking...") Actually, the one robber is an example of repentance. Remember that Adam blamed God and Eve blamed Satan. They refused to accept responsibility for their own actions. What they, (Adam and Eve),should have said to God was 'we are guilty of disobedience, of believing that You were a liar..' (And the crowd at the cross were accusing God of being a liar because He wouldn't bring himself and the robbers, down off the cross)...'of course you are not a liar and YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. ' The thief repented and told the truth, :41. That is our example of repentance. (How many examples are there of people accusing God of wrong doing. Is it ever OK?) To understand further one must understand what God was accused of lying about at the event in the Garden of Eden. AND what is the truth. Then what is meant by "...be with Me in paradise.." can be seen. Luke 23:39-43 39 One of the criminals who were hanged there was [a]hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the [b]Christ? Save Yourself and us!” 40 But the other responded, and rebuking him, said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving [c]what we deserve for our crimes; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” 43 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Read full chapter Edited September 12, 2022 by Dan Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted September 12, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,883 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,770 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Dan Knight said: ("And also Jesus restored to righteousness the thief on the Cross, him also without asking...") Actually, the one robber is an example of repentance. Remember that Adam blamed God and Eve blamed Satan. They refused to accept responsibility for their own actions. What they, (Adam and Eve),should have said to God was 'we are guilty of disobedience, of believing that You were a liar..' (And the crowd at the cross were accusing God of being a liar because He wouldn't bring himself and the robbers, down off the cross)...'of course you are not a liar and YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. ' The thief repented and told the truth, :41. That is our example of repentance. (How many examples are there of people accusing God of wrong doing. Is it ever OK?) To understand further one must understand what God was accused of lying about at the event in the Garden of Eden. AND what is the truth. Then what is meant by "...be with Me in paradise.." can be seen. Luke 23:39-43 39 One of the criminals who were hanged there was [a]hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the [b]Christ? Save Yourself and us!” 40 But the other responded, and rebuking him, said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving [c]what we deserve for our crimes; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” 43 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Read full chapter There many points raised that need to be discussed and be tested, and need to be clarified... The one of the two men on the Cross from the seed of Abraham from what he said he seemed to know the scriptures concerning the Messiah, the Christ of God and hold the belief that the Messiah will live forever...and it seems that he was in a state of the same expectations as Jesus disciples and Jesus mother who believe that all that was a test and Jesus at any time he will come down from the Cross, that God will intervene and Saved him, and he will be in this way established himself as the Messiah, because God will show him to the People that he is the Christ, the Messiah....and the disciples and his mother they all expected that to happen any time, and were wondering why it has not happened just yet...everyone was under that suspense, even the Leaders of the People even Pilate the Roman Governor who had demonstrated that by watching his hands with water infront of the people to show that he also knew that the Messiah cannot die...and if indeed Jesus was the Messiah then God will intervene and saved him, and all of them they will be in trouble...that's why he washed his hands and he tried to saved Jesus repeatedly because he knew the miraculus things Jesus was doing and he knew the history of Israel and their God and Moses and the other prophets and David the King and the promises God had made to him and Abraham... And even the Leaders the Priest had said if we are wrong let this be on us...let God punish us and not Pilate and the Romans. Back to the thief who had confessed that he also believed the same and something even more than that and it is worthy to mention it. The thief believe that if Jesus was indeed the Christ he will not die, because God will intervene to Save him, but he also believe that the Messiah at that moment will saved them also, will saved him and the other thief and will forgive them because they were from the seed of Abraham and were Circumcised, according to the Covenant of Circumcision... So the thief had faith, and had the faith that the Messiah will not hold their sins against them and will pardoned them and saved them from the Cross...spared their life....what a grade faith...he was not an unbeliever as the Leaders were... The other thief he also had the same hope and faith in his heart, but he also had nourish something else...which Jesus shows and he honor... And this is that knowing from the past history that the leaders had put other prophets from God to death, who God had honor after their death and had rewarded them with their Kingdom... What the this thief believed about life after death it is amazing, he believed that people can Judge but the Judgment of God is above the Judgment of people and he believed that Jesus was a prophet from God, and that God will reward him with his own Kingdom in the Life to come...as he understood it... But Jesus told him something which surprised the thief that that same day when he dies he will find himself to be together with the other righteous children of Abraham in the Bosom of Abraham, the Paradise of Abraham...because Jesus restored him to righteousness by forgiving his sins and freeing him from the condemnation of his sins...and that what happened Jesus died first before the thief besides him and having gone to Abraham and the thief dying some time later on when he died he also went to the Bosom of Abraham and that's where he met Jesus and that time every one in the Bosom of Abraham were in Jesus Christ including Abraham...so Jesus grandes him his wish because after watching Jesus died on the Cross he still believed that he will be honor by God with his own Kingdom, believing that Jesus was a prophet from God... The other thief like a lot others, said when Jesus died, that he died he was not the Messiah...He did not say anything against him, he did not say that he was not a prophet from God...like the religious leaders of the Jews and the Scribes and the High Priest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Knight Posted September 12, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 236 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/26/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/03/1958 Share Posted September 12, 2022 6 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: There many points raised that need to be discussed and be tested, and need to be clarified... The one of the two men on the Cross from the seed of Abraham from what he said he seemed to know the scriptures concerning the Messiah, the Christ of God and hold the belief that the Messiah will live forever...and it seems that he was in a state of the same expectations as Jesus disciples and Jesus mother who believe that all that was a test and Jesus at any time he will come down from the Cross, that God will intervene and Saved him, and he will be in this way established himself as the Messiah, because God will show him to the People that he is the Christ, the Messiah....and the disciples and his mother they all expected that to happen any time, and were wondering why it has not happened just yet...everyone was under that suspense, even the Leaders of the People even Pilate the Roman Governor who had demonstrated that by watching his hands with water infront of the people to show that he also knew that the Messiah cannot die...and if indeed Jesus was the Messiah then God will intervene and saved him, and all of them they will be in trouble...that's why he washed his hands and he tried to saved Jesus repeatedly because he knew the miraculus things Jesus was doing and he knew the history of Israel and their God and Moses and the other prophets and David the King and the promises God had made to him and Abraham... And even the Leaders the Priest had said if we are wrong let this be on us...let God punish us and not Pilate and the Romans. Back to the thief who had confessed that he also believed the same and something even more than that and it is worthy to mention it. The thief believe that if Jesus was indeed the Christ he will not die, because God will intervene to Save him, but he also believe that the Messiah at that moment will saved them also, will saved him and the other thief and will forgive them because they were from the seed of Abraham and were Circumcised, according to the Covenant of Circumcision... So the thief had faith, and had the faith that the Messiah will not hold their sins against them and will pardoned them and saved them from the Cross...spared their life....what a grade faith...he was not an unbeliever as the Leaders were... The other thief he also had the same hope and faith in his heart, but he also had nourish something else...which Jesus shows and he honor... And this is that knowing from the past history that the leaders had put other prophets from God to death, who God had honor after their death and had rewarded them with their Kingdom... What the this thief believed about life after death it is amazing, he believed that people can Judge but the Judgment of God is above the Judgment of people and he believed that Jesus was a prophet from God, and that God will reward him with his own Kingdom in the Life to come...as he understood it... But Jesus told him something which surprised the thief that that same day when he dies he will find himself to be together with the other righteous children of Abraham in the Bosom of Abraham, the Paradise of Abraham...because Jesus restored him to righteousness by forgiving his sins and freeing him from the condemnation of his sins...and that what happened Jesus died first before the thief besides him and having gone to Abraham and the thief dying some time later on when he died he also went to the Bosom of Abraham and that's where he met Jesus and that time every one in the Bosom of Abraham were in Jesus Christ including Abraham...so Jesus grandes him his wish because after watching Jesus died on the Cross he still believed that he will be honor by God with his own Kingdom, believing that Jesus was a prophet from God... The other thief like a lot others, said when Jesus died, that he died he was not the Messiah...He did not say anything against him, he did not say that he was not a prophet from God...like the religious leaders of the Jews and the Scribes and the High So since sin is the transgression of the law, what was the first sin committed by a human being? And what is the truth.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted September 12, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,883 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,770 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Dan Knight said: So since sin is the transgression of the law, what was the first sin committed by a human being? And what is the truth.? ***What is the contex? Do you want me to put in the context? ***And when was the first time that the word "sin" it was pronounce by God? It was not to Kain after he killed his brother? Edited September 12, 2022 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Knight Posted September 12, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 236 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/26/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/03/1958 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said: ***What is the contex? Do you want me to put in the context? ***And when was the first time that the word "sin" it was pronounce by God? It was not to Kain after he killed his brother? The context is transgression of the law. The law as we Christian Folk understand it. In that God is our law giver. Just a simple ' don't do this' is of little effect without the follow up 'or else that'. Still, without a prompt follow through of the 'or else that', the 'don't do this' is of little to no effect. Don't do this is the law. The consequence being the punishment for deviating from the law. For transgression of the law. When was the first time that a human being disobeyed God. And what was the transgression, sin. What was the penalty. And what was the truth? I know it seems like nonsense, but I'm getting to a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted September 13, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,883 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,770 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Dan Knight said: The context is transgression of the law. The law as we Christian Folk understand it. In that God is our law giver. Just a simple ' don't do this' is of little effect without the follow up 'or else that'. Still, without a prompt follow through of the 'or else that', the 'don't do this' is of little to no effect. Don't do this is the law. The consequence being the punishment for deviating from the law. For transgression of the law. When was the first time that a human being disobeyed God. And what was the transgression, sin. What was the penalty. And what was the truth? I know it seems like nonsense, but I'm getting to a point. In Jesus Christ we do not have "the Law", Jesus Christ did not give us A LAw, the way Moses gave the Law to the Israelites...The Law Moses gave them it was part of the Covenant of Sinai... Moses read allowed to them the articles in the Covenant and the people agree...for them and their children....And part of the Covenant it was that Lord God will have only them as his Nation, them and their children's children BY INHERITANCE from the father to the son... We cannot see what they had as an example to understand what we have in Jesus Christ... In Jesus Christ we have something totally New, we have NEW PRINCIPALS. IN your example I notice you are building on the same foundation as it was for the people who were in the Covenant of Sinai... Paul gave us the instruction no to do that, and he rebuked the Jews who were doing that...because they did something that Jesus had decided not to do...what they did they drafted a Covenant and they imposed it on the... believers ... They could not, or they did not want to see that Jesus Christ had his way to deal for each and every believer, but because he did not put it down in writing so others can see it, and he did not do that because the rules of contact are different for each and everyone of us...because he writes them in the heart for each and everyone of us... So it is understood that the principles of the legal system of the world... was similar to the system they Israelites had at that time which was the rule that create the offence and the deterant the punishment. Every one had the right to be informed of the rule that create the offence, and the punishment that each offence carries...and the process, the legal process, the right to be informed of the accusation and the right to have it proven, and the right to answer to the accusations , to defend and the right to Cross examine... This is the rule, and this is the offense that created, and this is the deterrent...the punishment. To the Israelites it was given by God and they agree, and it was up to God to enforce it, and at the same time he had authorized the leaders how to enforce the law themselves, he gave them the rules...when they put an offender of their own to death it had to be by stoning. Jesus did something deferent for us, he let us be under the legal system of the country we live in, and which legal system and the deterrent for each offense is different from country to country... And at the same time we have the guidance of Jesus in our heart through the Holy Spirit, and we have one more thing, the guidance of the church group we attend and the judgment of the people of the group we attend...they make us accountable to them... that's where things become more than a little bit complicated...this is why Jesus did not give us a Law, because we live in different countries and he put us under the Law of the country we live in...and for a conscience he has given us the Holy Spirit to help us grow into a conscience towards God... This bring us to the understanding that the Judgements of our religious group, are not the Judgments of Jesus Christ towards us, it may also be, and it may also made known to people, but the people cannot know the Judgment of Jesus Christ towards each and everyone of us...this is what the disciples teach...when they said the Lord is patient and he slow to Judge and he forgives...he is not standing by each and everyone of us to execute judgment imediatly...no he does not..he leaves our sins unpunished, and he forebears...and turns the other chick....and he believes in rehabilitation....this is a huge departure from the old... The issue on the last paragraph we should examine them separated and we will...this is for now... AND THIS IS for the people who are saved and are under the blood of Jesus Christ, us the believers.... AND NOT to be decided to whether we are saved or not, for this has already been divided...we believe in Jesus Christ.... Edited September 13, 2022 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Knight Posted September 13, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 236 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/26/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/03/1958 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: In Jesus Christ we do not have "the Law", Jesus Christ did not give us A LAw, the way Moses gave the Law to the Israelites...The Law Moses gave them it was part of the Covenant of Sinai... Moses read allowed to them the articles in the Covenant and the people agree...for them and their children....And part of the Covenant it was that Lord God will have only them as his Nation, them and their children's children BY INHERITANCE from the father to the son... We cannot see what they had as an example to understand what we have in Jesus Christ... In Jesus Christ we have something totally New, we have NEW PRINCIPALS. IN your example I notice you are building on the same foundation as it was for the people who were in the Covenant of Sinai... Paul gave us the instruction no to do that, and he rebuked the Jews who were doing that...because they did something that Jesus had decided not to do...what they did they drafted a Covenant and they imposed it on the... believers ... They could not, or they did not want to see that Jesus Christ had his way to deal for each and every believer, but because he did not put it down in writing so others can see it, and he did not do that because the rules of contact are different for each and everyone of us...because he writes them in the heart for each and everyone of us... So it is understood that the principles of the legal system of the world... was similar to the system they Israelites had at that time which was the rule that create the offence and the deterant the punishment. Every one had the right to be informed of the rule that create the offence, and the punishment that each offence carries...and the process, the legal process, the right to be informed of the accusation and the right to have it proven, and the right to answer to the accusations , to defend and the right to Cross examine... This is the rule, and this is the offense that created, and this is the deterrent...the punishment. To the Israelites it was given by God and they agree, and it was up to God to enforce it, and at the same time he had authorized the leaders how to enforce the law themselves, he gave them the rules...when they put an offender of their own to death it had to be by stoning. Jesus did something deferent for us, he let us be under the legal system of the country we live in, and which legal system and the deterrent for each offense is different from country to country... And at the same time we have the guidance of Jesus in our heart through the Holy Spirit, and we have one more thing, the guidance of the church group we attend and the judgment of the people of the group we attend...they make us accountable to them... that's where things become more than a little bit complicated...this is why Jesus did not give us a Law, because we live in different countries and he put us under the Law of the country we live in...and for a conscience he has given us the Holy Spirit to help us grow into a conscience towards God... This bring us to the understanding that the Judgements of our religious group, are not the Judgments of Jesus Christ towards us, it may also be, and it may also made known to people, but the people cannot know the Judgment of Jesus Christ towards each and everyone of us...this is what the disciples teach...when they said the Lord is patient and he slow to Judge and he forgives...he is not standing by each and everyone of us to execute judgment imediatly...no he does not..he leaves our sins unpunished, and he forebears...and turns the other chick....and he believes in rehabilitation....this is a huge departure from the old... The issue on the last paragraph we should examine them separated and we will...this is for now... AND THIS IS for the people who are saved and are under the blood of Jesus Christ, us the believers.... AND NOT to be decided to whether we are saved or not, for this has already been divided...we believe in Jesus Christ.... I don't dispute any of that. However what I'm getting at is fundamental truth. In its most pure form. Neat and simple. The first transgression of Gods law was at the garden of Eden. So what did it take for them to eat of the 'forbidden fruit '? They had to believe that God was a liar. Side bar- it has been said that Eve saw that the fruit would be good for eating so she took it. More to it than that. Gen 3:4-6. :6" and was desirable for obtaining wisdom ". How many sermons can you get out of that verse alone? But what was God accused of lying about? Death. Sure death. Not mere separation from, rather, to be un-existed. The fact that E and A did not eat of the fruit prior to the lie shows that they understood what death was, and believed God would carry out the punishment. Question: Can you sneak up on God and take something from Him that He said you couldn't have? Gen 3:22,23- God banished them from the garden BEFORE they eat of the tree of life, and LIVE FOREVER. BEFORE. And what do they teach us from the pulpits today? That when we depart from this existence we shall either go to heaven and live forever or to hell and live forever, but YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE. Saw recently an article about why Jesus had to die on the cross. Mentioned all kinds of reasons based on human reasoning, on things that "seem to be". Not one mention of this event. ONLY ONE REASON JESUS HAD TO DIE ON THE CROSS, so that we didn't have to. Got to get back to work. I surely want to continue this discussion with you, (yall). Gods Love and peace to us all. Edited September 13, 2022 by Dan Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted September 14, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,883 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,770 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2022 9 hours ago, Dan Knight said: I don't dispute any of that. However what I'm getting at is fundamental truth. In its most pure form. Neat and simple. The first transgression of Gods law was at the garden of Eden. So what did it take for them to eat of the 'forbidden fruit '? They had to believe that God was a liar. Side bar- it has been said that Eve saw that the fruit would be good for eating so she took it. More to it than that. Gen 3:4-6. :6" and was desirable for obtaining wisdom ". How many sermons can you get out of that verse alone? But what was God accused of lying about? Death. Sure death. Not mere separation from, rather, to be un-existed. The fact that E and A did not eat of the fruit prior to the lie shows that they understood what death was, and believed God would carry out the punishment. Question: Can you sneak up on God and take something from Him that He said you couldn't have? Gen 3:22,23- God banished them from the garden BEFORE they eat of the tree of life, and LIVE FOREVER. BEFORE. And what do they teach us from the pulpits today? That when we depart from this existence we shall either go to heaven and live forever or to hell and live forever, but YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE. Saw recently an article about why Jesus had to die on the cross. Mentioned all kinds of reasons based on human reasoning, on things that "seem to be". Not one mention of this event. ONLY ONE REASON JESUS HAD TO DIE ON THE CROSS, so that we didn't have to. Got to get back to work. I surely want to continue this discussion with you, (yall). Gods Love and peace to us all. I do not want to say anything that will encourage someone to think that I like some of the comments about Adam and Eve... And I think it would be fair and square to read the relevant scriptures in Genesis and see what they say... This from Genesis 3:1-3 And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. ***the irrefutable fact is that the Serpent spoke to Eve when she was alone.. We do not have any intecastion that Adam was there with Eve. That is indicating that the Serpent knew that it was Eve could be deceived, if we can say that, or that it was more probable for Adam to follow Eve and also eat from the fruit of the tree, than Eve to follow Adam that if Adam would have been the first one to eat from the forbidden fruit... In that passage we can tell that Eve and Adam were informed about the consequences of eating from the fruit of the forbidden tree Eve said in v.3, , God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. So Eve must have come to understand what "to die ment because when the Serpent said: that you shall not surely die. Eve seemed to relate to it, that it was about the Physical death, because when the God said to them "let's you die", they seemed to understand, it must be a deterrent the warning let's you die, and to a deterrent to them, they must know what to die meant to mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Knight Posted September 14, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 236 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/26/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/03/1958 Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: I do not want to say anything that will encourage someone to think that I like some of the comments about Adam and Eve... And I think it would be fair and square to read the relevant scriptures in Genesis and see what they say... This from Genesis 3:1-3 And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. ***the irrefutable fact is that the Serpent spoke to Eve when she was alone.. We do not have any intecastion that Adam was there with Eve. That is indicating that the Serpent knew that it was Eve could be deceived, if we can say that, or that it was more probable for Adam to follow Eve and also eat from the fruit of the tree, than Eve to follow Adam that if Adam would have been the first one to eat from the forbidden fruit... In that passage we can tell that Eve and Adam were informed about the consequences of eating from the fruit of the forbidden tree Eve said in v.3, , God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. So Eve must have come to understand what "to die ment because when the Serpent said: that you shall not surely die. Eve seemed to relate to it, that it was about the Physical death, because when the God said to them "let's you die", they seemed to understand, it must be a deterrent the warning let's you die, and to a deterrent to them, they must know what to die meant to mean. Thanks for repeating what I said. Thinly veiled as it was. For some reason you are dodging the subject matter of my comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted September 14, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,883 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,770 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Dan Knight said: Thanks for repeating what I said. Thinly veiled as it was. For some reason you are dodging the subject matter of my comment. It is too early to make this kind of statement. And I want to agree with something you said if it is in the scriptures. Adam was not in the tree of death Nor in the tree of Life before he ate from the forbitten fruit. After he ate from the fruit of the tree of death Adam can never go back to the state of being he had before he ate from the tree of death... His only option before him was to eat from the tree of Life, which he was not allowed to do. From that time he lived while he was in the tree of death and he had children born to the tree of death...the children they inherited from their father what he had. It was by Inheritance, they were born into that Inheritance... Following Adam we can find out that he and his children were not separated from God while they lived even thought they had death in them...even thought they had death in them. Adam because he disobeyed God and he ate from the fruit of death and his children because they got from Adam what he had, they were the fruit of Adam, they were the fruit from Adam's tree.. from the fallen seed of Adam...and that's what will give to their children if there is not change in their seed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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