Dan Knight

No need. I fully believe in the extent of destruction caused by the flood. Just don't believe that the garden of Eden was destroyed. Why at that moment? How many years between the toss and the flood? Why the wait. Scripture wise, why the wait?

Agreed not accessible by man, but not because of any flood. Your saying that because of the flood it stands to reason that the garden was destroyed. My garden, yes, but not the garden of God.[ 23therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. 24So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.] personally I believe the garden of Eden is still very much intact. Not accessible to man because of the guard.

Well, just because you don't see the point, doesn't mean that there isn't one. You, simply cannot see it. But, I have not ever heard that the garden of Eden was destroyed in the flood. Please, which scripture says directly that the garden of Eden was destroyed?

I agree. My point is this, that Adam and Eves sin was believing that God was a liar. What He was accused of lying about was death. The devil told Eve, "you shall not surely die". They were removed from the Garden before they could eat of the tree of life and live forever. And what are we taught from the pulpit? That when we depart this existence we shall go to heaven and live forever or to hell and live forever, but " you shall not surely die".

When I was a child sometimes I would be told to not do a particular thing and I would end up doing it. When confronted by my dad I told him that someone else said that I could do it. Of course I would be in trouble with pop. I clearly remember him saying, "I am your father, not him". (the person who said I could). Eve and Adam did the same thing. God said don't, devil said do it. They each made a choice to go against God in favor of the someone else. Can the "Ten Commandments " be read with the same idea, God saying I Am your Father, not him! (The devil).

Can anyone sneak into the garden of Eden and take something from Him that He said we could not have?

Yes.

Why was Adam and Eve removed from the Garden of Eden?

God has many names. Each one reveals a particular nature of Him. Like Jerusalem..King of Peace. He is called The Lamb of God. And many others that reveal to us who He is.

Typically, when I perceive that someone is in a need that God must provide and it is something that I am familiar with, by experience, I speak to God saying they need you, not me. I am nothing but you are everything. I am careful to say that. Now I know that the thing needed is something that God provides by way of a human, that's my experience. I've long accepted that when I ask God to send help to someone, often I am the help He sends. But still it weighs on my mind that He is what is needed, not me. Today, I'm speaking to Him about someone. This time I say, " They need us.." I stopped to correct myself, but felt strongly persuaded to leave it said as it is said. I said to God, " I'm going to reach out for advise in considering this, 'need us' thing." What sayest ye?

Agreed. Only you don't have to be a scholar, or Jewish or any other worldly educated being. Jewish faith of old took the law recieved by Moses and turned it into over 600 rules and laws. Jesus rebuked them because of that. Paul was a well versed scholar of the same scriptures and he firmly believed that he was doing God's will by heavily persecuting the Christians. Nor do you have to be simple and/or ignorant. What we have to be is chosen by God Himself to understand what He will teach us. We must be like a child, eager and open to re-learning everything. Everything. The hardest part of learning something new is to unlearn the old. 1 JOHN 2:27 " But the anointing which ye have received from Him abideth in you, and ye have no need that any man teach you. But as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him." ...as it, the Holy Spirit, has taught you, that is how you dwell with Him. Remember when the boys cast lots to have God decide in Judas replacement? Who was appointed 'official bones reader'? No one. So how did they know of God's choice? Where do we see Jewish College there? That's what the Pharisees feared. They would lose the high positions which were defined by the ignorance of the masses. Paul' story as he goes from important Pharisee of power to apostle of Jesus Christ, from being served to serving, from death to life.

My smiley face reaction was directed to the fellow who said most are not educated or wise enough to comprehend scripture. And he suggested that attempts to were, in his opinion, stupid. THAT is funny as Christianity 101 is Matt 11:25.

Ps 16:8-11 I have set the Lord always before me; Because He is at my right hand I shall not be moved. 9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoices; My flesh also will [d]rest in hope. 10 For You will not leave my soul in [e]Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to [f]see corruption. in this ps David is glorifying God for His deeds. Your Holy One is more correctly translated as pious. ( Strong's Concordance chasid: kind, pious Original Word: חָסִיד Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: chasid Phonetic Spelling: (khaw-seed') Definition: kind, pious ) David is referring to himself as a pious man. That is ok because he gave God the credit. :2 O my soul, you have said to the Lord, “You are my Lord, My goodness is nothing apart from You.” :1-8 David acknowledges God's faithfulness in keeping His Word. He states that because of that, (vs:1-8), or how it begins at :vs 9.. Therefore....(...:9 my flesh will rest in hope, :10 for You will not leave my soul in Sheol..) David does not fear being abandoned in the grave. David acknowledges the resurrection and firmly believes God will bring him back from death. ...Nor will You allow Your Holy One, (referring to himself as a pious man by God's Grace) to see corruption. David is referring to his pious life to decay away from Godliness. He acknowledges God as being not only responsible for his goodness, but also as the Maintainer of his life. :11 You will show me the path of life;

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. to little children. νηπίοις (nēpiois) Adjective - Dative Masculine Plural Strong's Greek 3516: From an obsolete particle ne- and epos; not speaking, i.e. An infant; figuratively, a simple-minded person, an immature Christian. thank you for the opportunity to testify for the Lord!