dad2 Posted January 29, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,507 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 19 hours ago, The Barbarian said: "Actually" is your addition to scripture to make it more acceptable to you. Mark 3:24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. God does not mean that the land is actually broken into two pieces. Why not just accept the Bible as it is,without your changes? As you can see from actual scripture, it means separating people. Why not just accept it as it is written? Resorting to parroting eh? Let's look at the verse and see if it excludes all else. Genesis 10:25 To Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided, and his brother's name was Joktan. Lo and behold there is nothing in there that supports you. Then there is that strange fear all the people of earth had that caused a mass migration. 'we better watch out or we'll get moved all over the world' to paraphrase. Right after that incident we see the verse that says they god dispersed all over the globe. Nothing about how it only meant languages or groups etc etc. Genesis 11:8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. In case you missed it the next verse drives it home again. Genesis 11:9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth. /for the win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted January 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,051 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, teddyv said: I'm not sure what you mean by "former nature". It's his unscriptural assumption that nature worked differently in Biblical times. Neither God nor the evidence supports his new doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted January 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,051 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, dad2 said: You assume that the current rate existed always. What reason do you have for that? You assume it was different. It's your imaginary change; up to you to show us the evidence for that. 1 hour ago, dad2 said: Then forget the flood year. The bible says the earth was split in Peleg's day. It doesn't say "split"; that's your addition to God's word. And as you learned earlier, that referred to the dispersal of people, not a geologic event. In fact, there isn't any support whatever in any records of any age, for Scotland being one with Nova Scotia. That happened long, long before there were people. That's why we don't see any trace of humans in the new world until less than 100,000 years ago, while we see all sorts of evidence for humans in the Old World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted January 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,264 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, dad2 said: You assume that the current rate existed always. What reason do you have for that? If, for example the big rapid move took 100 years, then obviously the rate per year would not be the same. Therefore assuming it was always the same rate is a ststement of faith. As I had mentioned, you can't just accelerate tectonic plates without generating a massive amount of heat. 1 hour ago, dad2 said: Then forget the flood year. The bible says the earth was split in Peleg's day. That does not really solve any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted January 30, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,507 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, teddyv said: As I had mentioned, you can't just accelerate tectonic plates without generating a massive amount of heat. That does not really solve any problems. There may have been no movement to accelerate. That doesn't help you. So God started it moving. Maybe by affecting the rotation or orbit of the world. Maybe by the change in laws. Who knows? But imagination great heat is due to using our laws of thermo dynamics etc. We do not know what laws used to exist. We also don't know how fast the rapid separation was or how long it took. All you see is some silly tiny residual movements today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted January 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,051 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, dad2 said: There may have been no movement to accelerate. That doesn't help you. So God started it moving. Maybe by affecting the rotation or orbit of the world. Maybe by the change in laws. Who knows? Once you start dreaming up unscriptural miracles to cover the problems with your new beliefs, all beliefs are equally justified. Why not just accept it God's way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted January 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,051 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 30, 2023 According to Genesis 10:25 and 1 Chronicles 1:19, it was during the time of Peleg that the earth was divided – traditionally, this is often assumed to be just before, during, or after the failure of the Tower of Babel, whose construction was traditionally attributed to Nimrod. The meaning of the Earth being divided is usually taken to refer to a patriarchal division of the world, or possibly just the Eastern Hemisphere, into allotted portions among the three sons of Noah for future occupation, as specifically described in the Book of Jubilees, Biblical Antiquities of Philo, Kitab al-Magall, Flavius Josephus,[1] and numerous other antiquarian and mediaeval sources, even as late as Archbishop Ussher, in his Annals of the World.[2] One account, the Conflict of Adam and Eve with Satan, states that "In the days of Phalek (Peleg), the earth was divided a second time among the three sons of Noah; Shem, Ham and Japheth" – it had been divided once previously among the three sons by Noah himself.[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peleg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted January 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,264 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 30, 2023 46 minutes ago, dad2 said: There may have been no movement to accelerate. That doesn't help you. So God started it moving. Maybe by affecting the rotation or orbit of the world. Maybe by the change in laws. Who knows? But imagination great heat is due to using our laws of thermo dynamics etc. We do not know what laws used to exist. We also don't know how fast the rapid separation was or how long it took. All you see is some silly tiny residual movements today. This is decidedly untestable and therefore unscientific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted January 30, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,507 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 Because the evidence shows that would be impossible. No it does not The dates of rocks at the area where the seafloor is spreading shows the rate of movement has always been centimeters per year. I was waiting for you to admit that. The dream dates are bogus. Faith based. Worthless beliefs and fantasy. They cannot be supported. One reason I think that the move for the most part happened in the former nature is because we do see patterns in isotopes as it moved. You interpret that as dates. The energy required to accelerate and then slow the continents would be released as heat and would have boiled off the oceans. Unless they were always moving it would not really be acceleration. Once the land masses did move, yes, it took some energy or produced some heat. That is why we see volcanoes and hot spots and etc I suppose. Not the sort of heat you imagine though. The actual rate of movement is still observed, In other words we now obderve some tiny residual movement. and it is rather precisely what the other evidence shows it has always been. Circular religion. Post the reasons and evidence you think agrees and see why. It's time to let go of your stories and just let it be God's way. I don't mind people not believing. I do mind when they try to present that as 'God's way'. Not at all. There is no liquid water at the crust/mantle boundary, maybe 5-40 km down. Why would we even mention how much water is there now? It did not move rapidly today. But perhaps a world of water after the flood was not a factor. The continents sit on a the mantle. "They drift because they are sitting on a layer of solid rock (the upper mantle or "asthenosphere") that is weak and ductile enough that it can flow very slowly under heat convection, somewhat like a liquid." https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/07/18/what-keeps-the-continents-floating-on-a-sea-of-molten-rock/ So what if that layer was weaker or stronger and more or less ductile in the former nature? What if the initial force that caused the continents to break and move did not come from under the continents? What if God arranged for force that caused the earth to spin or rotate more? Land masses that were affected in the flood year (perhaps not on their original pillars of support or something) would move apart. In a scenario like this there is no initial force causing heat! There is movement and friction. How much we do not know. As mentioned it did cause a lot of heat. But not the killing heat you imagined. That's one of your fairy tales. No evidence whatever for that idea. And God says nothing like that. Unless you can prove this present nature and laws existed guess who is talking fairy tales? We have magnetic reversals because of convection currents in the liquid core. Any sudden shift in the rotation or spin of the planet I assume also would wreak havoc with the magnetic field. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted January 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,051 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, dad2 said: Resorting to parroting eh? I'm just showing you what God says. You don't seem to agree with Him on it. That's between you and God, not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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