The Barbarian Posted May 15 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,176 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 994 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15 It has, however, passed the heliopause, and is therefore outside the solar system and in interstellar space. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-023-01923-z It turns out, that interstellar space has physical laws that are identical to those in the solar system. On 5/13/2024 at 4:40 PM, dad2 said: Doesn't matter at all. It easily demolishes your non-scriptural claims that the laws of physics are different outside the solar system. Maybe you can now retreat to "well, it's the same in this galaxy, but it's different outside our galaxy!" No more credible than your other claims. Why not just stop making up stories and accept it God's way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted May 15 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,650 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, The Barbarian said: It has, however, passed the heliopause, and is therefore outside the solar system and in interstellar space. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-023-01923-z It turns out, that interstellar space has physical laws that are identical to those in the solar system. It easily demolishes your non-scriptural claims that the laws of physics are different outside the solar system. Maybe you can now retreat to "well, it's the same in this galaxy, but it's different outside our galaxy!" No more credible than your other claims. Why not just stop making up stories and accept it God's way? What it demonstrates is that no man and not even any man made craft have been even one light day away from here. That does not tell us about the nature of space and time many light years away. Get back to us when you send one at least a light week away. When you do you will have authority to speak about the nature of time and space up to a week away! Meanwhile you have beliefs based on nothing at all. Pretending your absolute limited knowledge and experience is 'God's way' tells us a lot about you and God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 15 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,176 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 994 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15 It easily demolishes your non-scriptural claims that the laws of physics are different outside the solar system. Maybe you can now retreat to "well, it's the same in this galaxy, but it's different outside our galaxy!" No more credible than your other claims. Why not just stop making up stories and accept it God's way? 6 hours ago, dad2 said: What it demonstrates is that no man and not even any man made craft have been even one light day away from here. That does not tell us about the nature of space and time many light years away. All the evidence we have is that physics works out there just as it does here. But if you have some evidence to the contrary, now would be a good time to bring it out. Now that your first claim has been disproven by Voyager I, you just changed the claim a bit. But you still have no evidence for your belief. Would you like to learn how we know physics works the same way out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted May 16 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,650 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 16 10 hours ago, The Barbarian said: It has, however, passed the heliopause, and is therefore outside the solar system and in interstellar space. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-023-01923-z It turns out, that interstellar space has physical laws that are identical to those in the solar system. It easily demolishes your non-scriptural claims that the laws of physics are different outside the solar system. Maybe you can now retreat to "well, it's the same in this galaxy, but it's different outside our galaxy!" No more credible than your other claims. Why not just stop making up stories and accept it God's way? Less than one day away says nothing about time billions of ly away. Face it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 16 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,176 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 994 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16 11 hours ago, dad2 said: Less than one day away says nothing about time billions of ly away. Face it Just more evidence that physics outside the solar system works just the way it works here. And you have no evidence whatever that it does not. And we can watch nuclear reactions and chemical processes millions of light years away. And they work there, just as they work here. So far, every time your assumption has been tested, it failed. Why not just let it be the way God did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdJ Posted May 16 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 81 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,458 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 874 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted May 16 57 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: Just more evidence that physics outside the solar system works just the way it works here. And you have no evidence whatever that it does not. And we can watch nuclear reactions and chemical processes millions of light years away. And they work there, just as they work here. So far, every time your assumption has been tested, it failed. Why not just let it be the way God did it? Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out Isaiah 42:5 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/isa.42.5.NKJV who stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in isaiah 40:22 I—My hands—stretched out the heavens Isaiah 45:12 Psalm 8 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers The Dasha Theory by Dr. Dan Faulkner: Astronomer Dr. Dan Faulkner has come up with one alternative model which he calls the “Dasha Theory” named after the Hebrew word used in Genesis meaning “to grow” or to “bring forth” as in Genesis 1:11. God “brought forth” the stars and their light so Adam could see them on Day 4 of creation. Remember, creation is said to be a miraculous process, like the virgin birth of Christ, or the resurrection. So this is a model that accommodates the supernatural. In this model, the current laws of physics don’t come into existence until after the creation period. The Bible speaks many times of the heavens being stretched out during creation (see Isaiah 40:22, Job 9:8, Psalm 104:2, and over a dozen other verses). The light from the stars could have been brought forward (dasha) abnormally fast by a process that is undescribed, enabling it to be seen on Day 4. https://thebiblecanbeproven.com/does-distant-starlight-prove-a-billions-of-years-old-universe-part-6-of-series/ There was immediately light from the stars. https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/starlight/does-distant-starlight-prove-the-universe-is-old/ But some people have proposed that light was much quicker in the past. If so, light could traverse the universe in only a fraction of the time it would take today. gravity slows the passage of time. Since God created the stars on Day 4, their light would leave the star on Day 4 and reach earth on Day 4 cosmic local time. Light from all galaxies would reach earth on Day 4 if we measure it according to cosmic local time. Someone might object that the light itself would experience billions of years (as the passenger on the plane experiences the two hour trip). However, according to Einstein’s relativity, light does not experience the passage of time, so the trip would be instantaneous. Now, this idea may or may not be the reason that distant starlight is able to reach earth within the biblical timescale, but so far no one has been able to prove that the Bible does not use cosmic local time. So, it is an intriguing possibility. Since the stars were created during Creation Week and since God made them to give light upon the earth, the way in which distant starlight arrived on earth may have been supernatural. We cannot assume that past acts of God are necessarily understandable in terms of a current scientific mechanism, because science can only probe the way in which God sustains the universe today. It is irrational to argue that a supernatural act cannot be true on the basis that it cannot be explained by natural processes observed today. It is perfectly acceptable for us to ask, “Did God use natural processes to get the starlight to earth in the biblical timescale? And if so, what is the mechanism?” But if no natural mechanism is apparent, this cannot be used as evidence against supernatural creation. Many big bang supporters use the above assumptions to argue that the biblical timescale cannot be correct because of the light travel-time issue. But such an argument is self-refuting. It is fatally flawed because the big bang has a light travel-time problem of its own. In the big bang model, light is required to travel a distance much greater than should be possible within the big bang’s own timeframe of about 14 billion years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 16 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,176 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 994 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16 39 minutes ago, RdJ said: Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out Even Creationists admit that He made them. They just don't approve of the way He handles it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted May 16 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,650 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 16 4 hours ago, The Barbarian said: Just more evidence that physics outside the solar system works just the way it works here. And you have no evidence whatever that it does not. And we can watch nuclear reactions and chemical processes millions of light years away. And they work there, just as they work here. So far, every time your assumption has been tested, it failed. Why not just let it be the way God did it? No probe has been even a light day away yet. Compare that to 13 billion light years. We watch all things here. Nowhere else. How long light took to get here is unknown. Now if you want to talk about how long light takes to get here from one light day away, no problem. Despite the anomalies in both Voyagers that some might think could be time related, I am willing to allow that science knows how long light takes one day away! Ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted May 16 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,650 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 16 3 hours ago, RdJ said: It is fatally flawed because the big bang has a light travel-time problem of its own. In the big bang model, light is required to travel a distance much greater than should be possible within the big bang’s own timeframe of about 14 billion years Flesh that out a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 16 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,176 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 994 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16 4 hours ago, RdJ said: Many big bang supporters use the above assumptions to argue that the biblical timescale cannot be correct because of the light travel-time issue. But such an argument is self-refuting. It is fatally flawed because the big bang has a light travel-time problem of its own. In the big bang model, light is required to travel a distance much greater than should be possible within the big bang’s own timeframe of about 14 billion years Does the expansion of the Universe break the speed of light? Just 13.8 billion years after the hot Big Bang, we can see 46.1 billion light-years away in all directions. Doesn’t that violate…something? ...none of this breaks the speed of light or the laws of relativity; it only breaks our intuitive notions of how things ought to behave. https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/universe-speed-of-light/ Did you honestly think physicists would have failed to notice a problem like that, if if actually existed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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