Mr. M Posted February 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 743 Topics Per Day: 1.30 Content Count: 3,893 Content Per Day: 6.82 Reputation: 1,802 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/28/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1956 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, Justin Adams said: Please quote the whole passage.. otherwise it is a text out of context which is a pre-text. 1 Peter 3: 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an anti-type which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him. The point of departure was that verse 21 was being used to support baptism as a "symbol" based on Peter's use of "anti-type". I added verse 20 to show that Peter was stating that the Noah flood is the anti-type of baptism, which provides a conscience without offense toward God. Thanks for pointing out the potential for confusion when we get too wrapped up in a back and forth with another, and forget about the rest of the forum. Peace! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted February 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,689 Content Per Day: 12.14 Reputation: 3,406 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said: Amen!...🙏💗 Ty @Rosie1jack2pauline3 This is how I see it from Scripture... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted February 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,689 Content Per Day: 12.14 Reputation: 3,406 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said: If it’s of any consolation..some topics of conversation, I haven’t a clue what they are talking about either!..😂🤣😅 @Rosie1jack2pauline3 Important to keep searching the Scriptures, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. M Posted February 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 743 Topics Per Day: 1.30 Content Count: 3,893 Content Per Day: 6.82 Reputation: 1,802 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/28/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1956 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, steve morrow said: WATER EZEKIEL 36:24 for I will take you from among the heathen and gather you out of all countries and will bring you into your own land --36:25-- then will I sprinkle clean water upon you -- and you shall be clean -- from all your filthiness -- and from all your idols -- WILL I CLEANSE YOU -- --36:26-- a new heart also will I give you -- and a new spirit will I -- PUT WITHIN YOU -- and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh and I will give you an heart of flesh --36:27-- and I will put --MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU-- and cause you to walk in --MY STATUTES-- and you shall keep MY judgements PSALM 119:155 *** SALVATION *** IS FAR FROM THE WICKED FOR THEY SEEK NOT THY STATUTES JEREMIAH 2:13 for --MY PEOPLE-- have committed two evils --THEY HAVE FORSAKEN --ME-- THE FOUNTAIN OF LIVING WATERS -- and hewed them out cisterns broken cisterns which can hold no water EPHESIANS 5:25 husbands love your wives even as CHRIST also loved the church --AND GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT-- --5:26-- THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY AND CLEANSE IT --- WITH THE WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted February 16, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 9,607 Content Per Day: 3.93 Reputation: 7,800 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Mr. M said: Peace! And with thy spirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,906 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,783 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Mr. M said: Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? This is something without context. "Purge your conscience from dead works" Please put the context to show specific relevance to whom this apply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. M Posted February 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 743 Topics Per Day: 1.30 Content Count: 3,893 Content Per Day: 6.82 Reputation: 1,802 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/28/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1956 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: This is something without context. "Purge your conscience from dead works" Please put the context to show specific relevance to whom this apply. The context is Hebrews 9!! :6 Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the first part of the tabernacle, performing the services. 7 But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance; 8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience— As to how you would define "dead works" as pertaining to the conscience; in a nutshell, dead works bring the knowledge of sin to bear against our conscience. Hence, Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Examples of dead works that defile the conscience. 2 Corinthians 1:12 For our boasting is this: the testimony of our conscience that we conducted ourselves in the world in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom but by the grace of God, and more abundantly toward you. 4:2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,906 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,783 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2023 You must know to whom the one who said: "purge your conscience from dead works" who were the people he was speaking to... Just this simple question...you must be able to answer....you must know... You know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. M Posted February 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 743 Topics Per Day: 1.30 Content Count: 3,893 Content Per Day: 6.82 Reputation: 1,802 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/28/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1956 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, Your closest friendnt said: You must know to whom the one who said: "purge your conscience from dead works" who were the people he was speaking to... Just this simple question...you must be able to answer....you must know... You know... To each his own my friend. The only question I ask is "does this pertain to me"? When it does, the Holy Spirit shows me how. The epistle is clearly teaching on the new covenant. 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Do you see it? Those who are called. You know now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,906 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,783 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2023 37 minutes ago, Mr. M said: To each his own my friend. The only question I ask is "does this pertain to me"? When it does, the Holy Spirit shows me how. The epistle is clearly teaching on the new covenant. 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Do you see it? Those who are called. You know now? He was speaking to the people in his congregation... And more specifically to believers of Jesus Christ... Because other people may have frequent the church place of their meetings. The "Priest" the author of Hebrews letter was addressing believers in Jesus Christ... He is telling the believers "Purge your conscience from dead works".... He did not say purge your selves from sins"...but purge your conscience from "dead works"...he is not talking about sins... The author was born and raised under the Law of God, in the Law of Moses... The author says : purge your conscience....to say that the hearer did not have clean conscience because he is giving them the guidance to do something that they need... "To purge their conscience" and to purge it from dead works"...the author must have identified the "works" to him self...he must know some if not all of what dead works are...and if his audience seems to be Jews and they are Jews ....it seems that he is speaking to people who had come out of the Law of Moses... In this case he is referring to "the dead works of the Jew" as a believer now of Jesus Christ... He did not speak of the "dead works of a Gentile" as Gentiles come also from various backgrounds and their "dead works" will vary. Does the author identify the "dead works" of someone who came to faith in Jesus Christ from the Law of Moses... Is it possible to identify the dead works that are in the conscience of someone who came out the Law of Moses? And the need to have their conscience purge....from whatever that is... The author is not talking about sins.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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