3 - Down, 1 to Go, Then 1 to Go

[Montana Marv]

This is a followup on my last Thread.

Three already finished, then the next in line, followed by the 5th

As stated before we have been Crucified with Christ - Gal 2:20

We have been buried with Him through Baptism into his death, in order that, Just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we to may live a new life.  Rom 4:5

Unless a seed dies it cannot bear fruit - John 12:24  The process is to die, be buried and to rise again; then one can bear fruit.. A three step process.  We cannot bear fruit until we have gone through this three step process.  Which is Death, Burial, Resurrection. already completed for those in Christ, His Church, by the work of the Holy Spirit.  3 - Down.

1 to Go

Now this will perk interest and a lot of denials.

Christ next ascended on high, going to His Father  Acts 1:10,11  This is very much like 1 Thes 4:16,17  Harpozo means to snatch away, or aggressively snatch away.  In no way is the event describing a Resurrection (for both dead and alive go up).  This is describing the Bridegroom calling His Bride home to be with Him.  We have already been Crucified with Him, buried in his Baptism, and Raised with Him (Resurrected)  Those Dead in Christ and those Alive in Christ are aggressively taken up.

Then 1 to Go

We will return with Him at the Second Coming. 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[NConly]

I may need some help on this please. When Jesus ascended They stood and watched him go into the clouds. That brings to mind slowly went up. when Jesus come we will be change in the twinkling of and eye. that brings to mind snatched up quick.

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

Christ next ascended on high, going to His Father  Acts 1:10,11  This is very much like 1 Thes 4:16,17  Harpozo means to snatch away, or aggressively snatch away.  In no way is the event describing a Resurrection (for both dead and alive go up).  This is describing the Bridegroom calling His Bride home to be with Him.  We have already been Crucified with Him, buried in his Baptism, and Raised with Him (Resurrected)  Those Dead in Christ and those Alive in Christ are aggressively taken up.

1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

2And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

I believe, but have no need as I won't even be here. 

4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

Getting more info than I need, so when it is needed, I already have it so I won't have to go buy and sell

5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

2000 years and many generations later, same wise and foolish doing the same things the wise and the foolish have always done

6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
 
THE TRIB is upon us, SOON He will be here as He comes after the workings of Satan 

7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

Everyone is sealed, LET THE FOUR WINDS BLOW

8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

the moon becomes blood, sackcloth over the sun it is DARK and lamps are needed.  The FOOLISH look around and realize, there was no pre trib rapture, I really should have heeded the warnings, I am in need of more oil.  THEY think preparation comes just of asking. They are sadly mistaken.  You can't give away knowledge, it must be sought after yourself

9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

If they hadn't gotten dressed up in the gospel armor by now, they are doomed to go buy and sell. 

WHAT would cause someone to be so foolish?  WHO, having been warned by Jesus Himself that another is coming, do not be deceived and He is returning AFTER the lying signs and wonders of Satan, 

wouldn't be prepared?   SOMEONE WHO BELIEVED THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE.  

 

10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
 
Again, WHO wouldn't be prepared?  Those who believed THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE.  They would NEVER FEEL the need, the pressure to GET THAT EXTRA OIL.  They can be complacent as hell. And don't you know hell is all about that.  

Those who taught them the pre trib be complacent as hell you don't need any extra oil doctrine, are blind guides.  HOW MANY READING THIS haven't figured out, or have figured out and have already found their excuses for

ALL THE VIRGINS are HERE FOR THE DARKNESS. 
ALL THE VIRGINS NEEDED LAMPS. 
ALL THE VIRGINS NEEDED XTRA OIL. 
ALL the virgins would be here for the trib

So, two witnesses were killed.  AND here comes the Bridegroom, 

the FOOLISH have been marked by the beast

but those who didn't have to go buy and sell, will be of the ALIVE AND REMAINING UNMARKED

11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

ONCE that door is shut, it's shut for at least 1000 years.   Not saying they won't be able to get their names in the book of life at the end of the 1000 years, but they are going to have to work for it.  



 

[Montana Marv]

14 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

2And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

I believe, but have no need as I won't even be here. 

4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

Getting more info than I need, so when it is needed, I already have it so I won't have to go buy and sell

5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

2000 years and many generations later, same wise and foolish doing the same things the wise and the foolish have always done

6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
 
THE TRIB is upon us, SOON He will be here as He comes after the workings of Satan 

7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

Everyone is sealed, LET THE FOUR WINDS BLOW

8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

the moon becomes blood, sackcloth over the sun it is DARK and lamps are needed.  The FOOLISH look around and realize, there was no pre trib rapture, I really should have heeded the warnings, I am in need of more oil.  THEY think preparation comes just of asking. They are sadly mistaken.  You can't give away knowledge, it must be sought after yourself

9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

If they hadn't gotten dressed up in the gospel armor by now, they are doomed to go buy and sell. 

WHAT would cause someone to be so foolish?  WHO, having been warned by Jesus Himself that another is coming, do not be deceived and He is returning AFTER the lying signs and wonders of Satan, 

wouldn't be prepared?   SOMEONE WHO BELIEVED THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE.  

 

10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
 
Again, WHO wouldn't be prepared?  Those who believed THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE.  They would NEVER FEEL the need, the pressure to GET THAT EXTRA OIL.  They can be complacent as hell. And don't you know hell is all about that.  

Those who taught them the pre trib be complacent as hell you don't need any extra oil doctrine, are blind guides.  HOW MANY READING THIS haven't figured out, or have figured out and have already found their excuses for

ALL THE VIRGINS are HERE FOR THE DARKNESS. 
ALL THE VIRGINS NEEDED LAMPS. 
ALL THE VIRGINS NEEDED XTRA OIL. 
ALL the virgins would be here for the trib

So, two witnesses were killed.  AND here comes the Bridegroom, 

the FOOLISH have been marked by the beast

but those who didn't have to go buy and sell, will be of the ALIVE AND REMAINING UNMARKED

11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

ONCE that door is shut, it's shut for at least 1000 years.   Not saying they won't be able to get their names in the book of life at the end of the 1000 years, but they are going to have to work for it.  



 

Watch and be ready now.. Are you ready now, or will you be ready after all the calamities come to pass.  When will you be prepared for the Bridegroom.  Will you die from starvation first, will your neighbors rat on you, one should, because at least they know one is a Believer.  You have no idea what tomorrow will bring, So how do you know what will happen 3 to 7 years from now.  So your message to the unsaved is; we have plenty of time to prepare, we have at least 7 more years, no urgency.  This is a date setter.  Harold Camping would be proud.  He missed it three times.  Yet, we as Pre-Trib are ready now, not in the future.  We just do not know when the 70th Week will begin.  Then the clock starts ticking and one can pinpoint their appointed times.

Do your unsaved neighbors know you are a Believer, you are then easy money. You cannot buy, you cannot sell, ongoing for at least 7 years.  That is your choice.  At least the foolish virgins were able to buy and sell freely, right after the departure.  So the wise virgins have been hanging around with those who have the mark.  They should have witnessed to them before they received the Mark.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

16 hours ago, NConly said:

I may need some help on this please. When Jesus ascended They stood and watched him go into the clouds. That brings to mind slowly went up. when Jesus come we will be change in the twinkling of and eye. that brings to mind snatched up quick.

Jesus Christ will return in like manner as He went up. Visibly seen.  When the Bridegroom is ready to receive his Bride, it will be very, very, very quick.  Those on earth will not see it happen, it happens in the sky (not a coming, but a retrieval), not on earth as when the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords comes.  All creation will see this event.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

the FOOLISH have been marked by the beast

If this was the case, why would they be hanging around with someone who is following Christ someone else.  They are then following the Beast already and are looking to convert you to follow this same Beast.  Who is trying to convert who?

In Christ

Montana Marv

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Watch and be ready now.. Are you ready now, or will you be ready after all the calamities come to pass.  When will you be prepared for the Bridegroom.  Will you die from starvation first, will your neighbors rat on you, one should, because at least they know one is a Believer.  You have no idea what tomorrow will bring, So how do you know what will happen 3 to 7 years from now.  So your message to the unsaved is; we have plenty of time to prepare, we have at least 7 more years, no urgency.  This is a date setter.  Harold Camping would be proud.  He missed it three times.  Yet, we as Pre-Trib are ready now, not in the future.  We just do not know when the 70th Week will begin.  Then the clock starts ticking and one can pinpoint their appointed times.

Do your unsaved neighbors know you are a Believer, you are then easy money. You cannot buy, you cannot sell, ongoing for at least 7 years.  That is your choice.  At least the foolish virgins were able to buy and sell freely, right after the departure.  So the wise virgins have been hanging around with those who have the mark.  They should have witnessed to them before they received the Mark.

In Christ

Montana Marv

They absolutely do.  Do you know what IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF EVERYTHING YOU POSTED HERE?  

The words of Christ to 1 of the 2 churches HE APPROVED OF  

8And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Christ says FEAR NONE   -   Pre trib says FEAR EVERYTHING
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
 

Christ says YOU WILL SUFFER  -  Pre trib says WON'T SUFFER
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


Christ says SOME OF YOU WILL BE CAST INTO PRISON   -   Pre trib says YOU WON'T BE HERE
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Christ says BE FAITHFUL UNTO DEAD   -  Pre trib says YOU WILL NOT SUFFER DEATH YOU WILL BE CAUGHT AWAY

Christ says THEN I WILL GIVE THEE A CROWN OF LIFE  -  Pre trib says YOU GET A CROWN OF LIFE FOR WHAT OTHERS DO

Jesus says WE ARE ONE BODY  -  Pre trib says GOD WILL DIVIDE THE BODY

Peter says God is NOT a respecter of persons  -  Pre trib says God will treat ONE GENERATION differently THAN ALL OTHERS

It is written WE WILL SUFFER TRIBULATION  -  Pre trib says 'ONLY SO MUCH', so 'GREAT' TRIBULATION, NO WAY

It is written there will be a falling away  -  Pre trib says there will be a flying away

Jesus says to BE WORTHY OF THE KINGDOM PICK UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW HIM -  Pre trib says WE DONT HAVE TO

Jesus says DON'T BE DECEIVED BY ANY MAN - Pre trib says DON'T WORRY WE WONT BE HERE that info is for others

It is written ALL THE alive and remaining will be changed  -  Pre trib SAYS THAT'S NOT TRUE

It is written Christ returns AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN -  Pre trib says THAT'S NOT TRUE, HE COMES BEFORE

The angels said Christ would return in like manner as you have seen Him go - Pre trib says NO, HE COMES TO THE AIR

It is written every man dies  -  Pre trib says NOT TRUE

Pre trib has REASONS and EXCUSES for everything but what they don't have IS A SINGLE  SOLID FOUNDATION VERSE.  EVERYTHING COMES FROM SPECULATION AND CONCLUSION, EVERYTHING.  EVERY SINGLE THING.  THERE IS NOTHING WRITTEN IN THE WORDS OF GOD THAT EVEN REMOTELY SUGGESTS A SAVING OF 'THE CHURCH' AT ANY TIME OTHER THAN THE LORDS DAY.  EVEN WHEN THE SUBJECT OF HIS RETURN COMES UP, NO CORRECTION OF IT FOR A 'PRE TRIB' GATHER SESSION.  

NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT EFFECT A PRE TRIB RAPTURE WOULD HAVE ON THE REVELATION OF CHRIST AT THE 2ND ADVENT. 

SATAN IS COMING TO DECEIVE AND THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY DOTH ALREADY WORK. 


 
AND WHERE ARE THESE WORDS FOUND?   OUT OF ALL PLACES IN THE WORDS OF GOD,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
 IN A CHAPTER ABOUT THE RETURN OF CHRIST...THE ORDER OF EVENTS GIVEN TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME



WHAT WERE THE FIRST WORDS JESUS SAID?  DON'T BE DECEIVED.

WHAT DID HE SAY RIGHT AFTER THAT?  IF THEY SAY CHRIST IS HERE OR THERE DON'T BELIEVE THEM

WHAT DOES PRE TRIB SAY?  HERE COMES CHRIST...

 

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;

because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 
 

 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

If this was the case, why would they be hanging around with someone who is following Christ someone else.  They are then following the Beast already and are looking to convert you to follow this same Beast.  Who is trying to convert who?

In Christ

Montana Marv

THEY ARE ALL HERE WHEN BUYING AND SELLING AND TAKING THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS PROHIBITED. 

THEY ARE TALKING. 

HOW CAN THE WISE BE TELLING THE FOOLISH TO GO BUY AND SELL

                                   IF THEY ARE NOT HERE WHEN BUYING AND SELLING IS A PROBLEM?  

Don't pre trib get it?  All the examples pre trib examples DON'T WORK because NONE of them say what PRE TRIB SAYS THEY SAY. 


Pre trib USE WISE AND FOOLISH but what escapes is ALL THE VIRGINS ARE PRESENT ON THE EARTH

                  SO HOW COULD THE WISE HAVE BEEN 'PRE TRIB RAPTED' WHEN THEY ARE IN THE THICK OF IT?   

Just like KEPT 'as in guarded over', because ALL IT TAKES is to have the gospel armor and YOU UNDERSTAND for the JOY that awaits on the other side


And it isn't 7 years, it is 3 1/2 and HAD PT BEEN preparing for that, PT would not find itself in the position to starve,


but since PT DON'T HAVE TO WORRY, why would PT prepare?   

THEY WOULDN'T.   

And who does that play RIGHT INTO THE HANDS OF?  Not GOD.  


So again, Is it better to be PREPARED AND NOT NEED IT or not be prepared and need it.  ONE WAY CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE SO you will be able to STAND, OVERCOME AND ENDURE TO THE END and if need be GIVE UP YOUR LIFE TO SAVE IT

[Dennis1209]

20 hours ago, NConly said:

I may need some help on this please. When Jesus ascended They stood and watched him go into the clouds. That brings to mind slowly went up. when Jesus come we will be change in the twinkling of and eye. that brings to mind snatched up quick.

I grappled with that myself; someone brought something to my attention—just some food for thought. So far, this is how my mind pictures and speculates the sequence of events, and everyone views it differently.

⁵¹ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, ⁵² In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. ⁵³ For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. ⁵⁴ So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and ^pthis mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. ⁵⁵ O death, where is thy sting? O ^tgrave, where is thy victory?

Our “change” into glorified bodies happens in the twinkling of an eye, not our harpazo (or violently and forcefully snatched away to meet Jesus in the clouds).

¹⁶ For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: ¹⁷ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

I cannot prove it, but this seems to be two separate events and a pattern. I have an inkling that our ascension into the clouds is a pattern after Jesus for our harpazo.

An open display, a jab into Satan’s eye, as to what Jesus did and said at Mt. Hermon and maybe the earth dwellers left behind.

¹⁸ And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

[NConly]

Ok Thanks Dennis1209. I can see it the same way as you. That relates to Rev 1:7 for all to see him coming and morn he is slowly coming down. imo