R. Hartono Posted May 4, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 777 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,955 Content Per Day: 3.05 Reputation: 1,985 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews 11&version=KJV Who are those people so bloody mistreated by this world. Does it speak about christians ? What if that happen to you. Edited May 4, 2023 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted May 5, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,827 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,818 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 5, 2023 9 hours ago, R. Hartono said: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews 11&version=KJV Who are those people so bloody mistreated by this world. Does it speak about christians ? What if that happen to you. This passage is not about the New Testament church. There has been and will be persecution of the church, but this is not what these verse are talking about. As I said in my other post, all of Hebrews 11 is about the saints of the Old Testament who did great things and bore bad things and were righteous before God before Christ came. They are an example to us. The proof of that? Two things. [1] The verses you cite speak with past tense verbs as does all of Hebrews 11. "Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. They were put to death by stoning; they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground." The words I have bolded show past tense. [2] BUT!!! The most important proof is verse 39 - "These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised," More past tense - meaning Old Testament people. They were very faithful even thought they did had not "received what had been promised". What had been promised? The Messiah. Jesus Christ. These Old Testament faithful and martyrs did not know Jesus. They did not make it to the New Testament age. BUT they nonetheless, because of their great faith in the promise - believing God would send a Messiah - were commended by God for their faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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