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  1. Jayne

    going to hell

    You guys are quantifying God's wrath, grace, and even his mercy. There is no algorithm for God's favor upon mankind. There is no measure or numerical formula to judge God as a success or a failure. It's not that God loses - it's that people, through their own decision, win or lose. Heaven or hell. Holiness or sin. People, on an individual basis, are judged and having gain or loss. Instead of us sorrowing over numbers.....should we not be about telling others about Christ? The OP asks: How is people going to heaven [albeit possibly fewer in number than those going to hell] a win for God? God won before he even said, "Let there be light." In fact, God has never and will never be in a losing state. Even Jesus Christ, in his most mentally, spiritually, and physically tormented moment on the cross was not "losing". Jesus Christ is the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world - knowing he would "crush" the devil's head even from the Garden of Eden when God proclaimed that TO the devil. People going to heaven - even if it is less that those going to hell - is the WHOLE purpose of God planning to send Jesus Christ as a sacrifice before he and Jesus created anything. He knew and has always known exactly who would accept Jesus and who would not. No surprises for God. God wins by destroying the curse of sin and through Christ, opening a way for each individual on earth to escape the devil's grasp through Jesus' saving blood. God wins by the devil, his angels, and those who reject Christ to perish. God wins by his children, those who cast themselves before him, trembling in shame of their sin, and his saving them - coming to live with him forever! It's our choice - the devil or God. In the end, the devil certainly does not win - he burns in hell forever. How is that a win? God wins. God has already won! Trying to base his win on a quantifiable factor limits God to a fallible "g"od and misses the holiness of God and the sovereignty of God. It paints God as a "g"od not in control. And that's not the Biblical God. There are going to be more people in heaven than we can count. Millions upon millions saved in the Tribulation alone. Revelation 7:9 -10 and 13-14 "After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” ….. one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
  2. Jayne

    How to develop fruits of the spirit?

    Fasting can be a wonderfully powerful tool in the life of a Christian. God will really work when we fast. With that being said, you left out a critical point. Spiritual fasting is not just abstaining from food for a time. It's what you replace that eating with. It's a seeking of God so profound that you forego what keeps you alive - food. I wouldn't fast from water, but that's just me. If you choose to fast for a day, then for the times that you would normally eat - you should pray like mad for God to teach you and you should read the Bible like mad for the same purpose and even fall on your face before him [doesn't have to be on the floor, can be across the bed] and quietly sing praises to God. Meditation of scriptures is good, but not meditation where you "empty" your thoughts - that's when the devil will invade. Anyway, the point is that the time of denial of food must be replaced with intense prayer, Bible study, worship, and a private, private time with God seeking his face. Oh, and not everyone can go 24 hours with no food - I am a diabetic and can't do that. If I fast, I eat a scrambled egg/toast at about 10:00 and don't eat the rest of the day, but do drink water.
  3. Jayne

    Valentine Greetings

    I understand. As a single person myself, I don't relish the day. But when I taught school, I had fun with the children. My rule was that if you brought a valentine to one child or a piece of candy - your mother had to help you organize that for every child in the class. And they always complied. No one was every left out - I made sure of that. And we had a good time. Today, I am taking my widowed mother out to eat [and my handicapped brother]. She's had a hard time since my dad died 8 months ago and Valentine's Day is not looking good. My Dad always showered her with cards, candy, and such. And she would always make a special meal for him. Her grief is visible today. Nonetheless, I am getting her out of the house and I hope she has a better afternoon.
  4. Jayne

    How to develop fruits of the spirit?

    Oh, I forgot this question that you asked first.....[that's the one I mean to address] You just don't KNOW how many times I don't "feel" the fruit of the Spirit and there's always a reason for it. The Holy Spirit is the one that - I'm going to use an agricultural metaphor - he cultivates and plants and grows that fruit: love, peace, joy, patience, kindness, meekness, goodness, faith, and self-control. But here is what I find in my own life: The Holy Spirit either cannot or will not produce that fruit [I cannot produce them by myself] when the soil of my life is nothing but sand. Here's what interferes with my "fruit-bearing": the more days I go without reading my Bible and prayer, the dryer and dryer I feel and I can honest feel these fruits drying up the more I hang on to and nurse bitterness, disappointments, fear, and anger - the absolutely PARCHED I feel and the LAST thing I can detect in my life is peace, joy, love, self-control.....etc. the more of the world and flesh that I center on - the less of the fruit of the is born in my daily life. Those things interfere like mad in my life when I allow it to. Before Paul lists the fruit of the Holy Spirit in Galatians, he lists the fruit of the flesh. If these desires of the flesh are fueled inside of us, then the fruit of the Holy Spirit will not be what it coming forth from us. Perhaps we all should start with Paul's FIRST list and cast out these fleshly actions and desires. Galatians 5:16-24 - "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
  5. Jayne

    Christians and the synagogue

    The 9th chapter of Acts makes the connection. Acts 9:1-2 = "But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem."
  6. Jayne

    How to develop fruits of the spirit?

    I know many people who were baptized a second time. But it was because they realized they were never truly saved to begin with. They said they either: Got baptized because their little friends did at too early of an age without real understanding of salvation Got baptized because they thought that's what saved them and never really trusted Christ - they just trusted the ritual Got caught up in an emotional experience thought that was salvation - their life did not change and/or their life was not following Christ Baptism as taught by the New Testament is a one-time thing for a person who has already confessed Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and has made the commitment to follow him and trust him completely. If someone "gets saved [not really]" and gets baptized but then realized later that their salvation was not real, they should be baptized again - this time AS a believer. But if a person "gets saved [TRULY saved]" and gets baptized, there is no precedent or reason for them to be baptized again. Baptism is only a sign that [1] we are put to death with Christ [going under the water] and risen to new life with him [coming out of the water]. Going through that a second time if you are genuinely saved to start with is not offensive, but does nothing for you. Romans 6:3-4 = "Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."
  7. Hello, You said in your OP that being a Christian was too hard. Then you said that you probably couldn't be saved anyway. I think this might be the crux of your issues. I say this in sisterly love. Are you a Christian or not? Can you point to a time when you - as the Bible says - [1] Believed on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, [2] Believed that God raised him from the dead in a literal resurrection, [3] confessed your sins to God in repentance, and [4] followed Christ as not only Savior, but Lord? Being saved is not rocket science and it is a ONE time event. But that one time event has to be a surety. The daily walk - bad time, good times, in-between times - are part of sanctification. That means the root of salvation of growing fruit in your life. Hard times will help your bear fruit as well as good times if you are following Christ daily. Being a Christian is not "believing in God". The Bible says that even demons believe there is a God and they tremble over it. But demons are not saved. I cannot say at ALL if you are a Christian or not because that's not my place. I'm just confused as to your calling yourself one and then saying that you couldn't be saved. You are either saved or not saved. Bad days come and go. Doubts fly in our heads sometimes like flocks of horrible buzzards. But our salvation does not waver. That because GOD saves. Not us. If salvation were up to us - we would never be saved at all. And yes, being a Christian is hard sometimes. Very hard sometimes. And no, there are no perfect Christians with perfect smiles, faces, and lives. The devil wants you to hate your life.....he does that because he wants you ineffective for Christ. I want you to trust me on this - I speak from literal experience! I just want you to know I've been there.
  8. Jayne

    Who can use proof of Jesus' resurrection?

    There's a famous testimony that's similar to this commentary. Are you familiar with Chuck Colson, President Richard Nixon's "hatchet man" in the early '70's? When he went to prison because of Watergate/obstruction of justice, he had a Gideon Bible in his cell. He read it. He was astounded at the apostles for whom, no matter what dangers they faced for being apostles, "never changed their stories" as he put it. He said that he understood that kind of loyalty to someone and ergo, "the Bible must be true". He became a devout Christian and when he finished his brief prison term, he started a prison MINISTRY that continued for decades and still does even after his death. Thousands and thousands of men and women in prison have given their lives to Christ because of Colson and his Prison Fellowship. It's a world-wide ministry.
  9. Jayne

    Not able to walk freely

    in pray for you.....
  10. I just did the "one thousand one" thing with my clock in my den. My oral counting and the clocks ticking here in sync. From my math-teaching experience, perspective changes. When you are five years old and can't WAIT for Christmas, a year is 20% of your life at that age. Time crawls! When you are 40 and can't BELIEVE it's soon going to be Christmas again, a year is only 2.5% of your life. Years become worth less and less - speaking in relation to your whole life. We have the standard winter, spring, summer, and fall here - but within those seasons can and do come some outlier days that are wonky! As for the book of Enoch.....what can I say that I have not already said.
  11. Jayne

    New here! Have a Message to share!

    oops....double post
  12. Jayne

    New here! Have a Message to share!

    I'll fill you in. It's not from God. If it is - then God is Raymond the OP and/or Raymond is God. He starts off my listing some "names" of God supposedly GIVEN by God. He starts every page by "A Message From the Lord". The first one is "I AM that I AM"....then it goes on to say "I am Adam", "I am Enoch", "I am Noah" and then he gets to "I am Raymond the awoken". So, Raymond - are you God or is God you?
  13. Jayne

    who is it

    This prophecy came to pass or at least is referred to in Matthew 12:15-21. "But when Jesus knew it [that the Pharisees were plotting to kill him in verse 14], He withdrew from there. And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them all. Yet He warned them not to make Him known, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: 'Behold! My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased! I will put My Spirit upon Him, and He will declare justice to the Gentiles. He will not quarrel nor cry out, nor will anyone hear His voice in the streets. A bruised reed He will not break, and smoking flax He will not quench, till He sends forth justice to victory; and in His name Gentiles will trust.'” To me, when I read this, it means that Jesus was not going to "fight back" against the Pharisees here. He was not going to get into a verbal brawl with them. It would have been easy for Christ to fight back and kill them all. But, that was not God's will for him. He would be bruised, physically and verbally and emotionally and mentally - but not broken. He would endure the "fires" of the Pharisee's wickedness but not be quenched out. He had an important task. To save his people and to bring "His name" to the Gentile and they would trust it. The is talking of Christ's humility to God's will for his life. Humble even to the point of not retaliating or arguing or giving revenge.
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    who is it

    Alright... Dual prophecies in the Bible have an immediate truth and a future truth. I'll be honest with you. I thought most Bible readers knew that. Here are the ones that I am familiar with. Others, I would have to Google. [1] Psalm 22 contains David's words of begging God to help him because his enemies are so tormenting. David is in agony. That is the immediate meaning. The secondary meaning is how Christ would use the opening words while on the cross. David's psalm - which we call "22" is a Messianic psalm. That means it has its immediate meaning and is also a reference to Christ in the future. In this agony, David points to Christ. That's called a "type". [2] Ezekiel 28 is God speaking to the king of Tyre - a wicked and proud man. Gods lists the king of Tyre's prideful acts and declares that enemies of Tyre will destroy him. Then all of a sudden God starts speaking to him as if he were a cherub in the garden of Eden. Well, the king of Tyre wasn't in the garden of Eden, but the devil was. God turns from describing the king of Tyre to describing the fall of the devil: because of his pride. The immediate meaning of this passage is the description of the king of Tyre's wickedness. The secondary meaning of this passage is a look back at the devil and his fall. The king of Tyre is a "type" of the Satan. [3] Zechariah 11 has an immediate meaning of the judgment of God coming. It's acted out by Zechariah in God asking him to take a particular job as a shepherd with particular animals destined for slaughter. His payment is 30 pieces of silver that God asks him to throw it to the potter and Zechariah throws the money in the Temple for the potters the Bible says. While this really did go on - as in an immediate way - for Zechariah, there is also a very obvious secondary meaning. Jesus would be betrayed with the same scorn as Zechariah was treated by those he worked with and was paid by. Immediate meaning - the wickedness of God's people and yet another eventual destruction. Secondary meaning - Christ's betrayal. [4] As I said earlier, Isaiah 7: Near prophecy - a child would be born under King Ahaz' rule and before that child was very old, the enemies of Israel would be defeated. Word. For. Word. It can't be more clear than it says. Far prophecy - another young woman Mary, this time a virgin [the Greek in Matthew's quotation of this is strict virgin in the literal sense.] would give birth to Jesus. The Hebrew word "virgin" in Isaiah has the same meaning "young woman" or "virgin". There's more, but you'll either believe it or not.
  15. Jayne

    who is it

    So you think that the woman mentioned in Isaiah 7 also had a virgin birth? The woman that God was telling King Ahaz about? I think not. There was only one virgin birth. That's Mary. There are more than this one dual prophecy in the Bible.