LiveWire Posted July 24, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 392 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 hours ago, farouk said: @LiveWire It's interesting that in NT the Lord Jesus quoted from the Septuagint ... (This shows the Lord's sovereignty....) From the Torah: 17 Think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets: I have not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one point of the law to fall. “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” Jesus breaks down the Commandments into His Meaning is referencing the Torah. And the tempter came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.” But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’” ^ Written in the Torah There's quite a bit including when Jesus shows us specifically He's referencing the Torah and Tanakh: 44 And he said to them: These are my words, which I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all things that are written in the law of Moses and the prophets and the psalms concerning me must be fulfilled. ^ Notice the ORDER : Law - Prophets - Psalms The OLD Testament for the Septuagint and Masoretic it's Law - Psalms - Prophets. Jesus said LAW - PROPHETS - then PSALMS, Jesus is Always quoting the Torah/Tanakh. Jesus could have quoted the Septuagint, I just don't see evidence for it. Even the Scroll of Isaiah, in the Synagogue, just says Scroll of Isaiah, in [ALL] Text Versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solus Christus Posted July 24, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 316 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 142 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/23/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 hours ago, farouk said: @LiveWire It's interesting that in NT the Lord Jesus quoted from the Septuagint ... (This shows the Lord's sovereignty....) What matters is Septuagint or Masoretic, Alexandrian or Textus Receptus, the main points are the same: Jesus is The Lord, Jesus saves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted July 24, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,561 Content Per Day: 12.17 Reputation: 3,349 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Solus Christus said: What matters is Septuagint or Masoretic, Alexandrian or Textus Receptus, the main points are the same: Jesus is The Lord, Jesus saves. @Solus Christus His wondrous Person and Work are central; the central theme of the written Word of God is indeed the living and eternal Word Himself, and gloriously so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveWire Posted July 24, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 392 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Solus Christus said: What matters is Septuagint or Masoretic, Alexandrian or Textus Receptus, the main points are the same: Jesus is The Lord, Jesus saves. I definitely agree. But I look at some conversations like a debate where evidence and proofs are crucial and viable. But I don't care if you read a coloring book about Jesus. Correct, incorrect, as long as we understand it is Jesus, we're good as Gold! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted July 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,561 Content Per Day: 12.17 Reputation: 3,349 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 11:58 AM, LiveWire said: I definitely agree. But I look at some conversations like a debate where evidence and proofs are crucial and viable. @LiveWire I am reminded of 2 Timothy 3.9: "The word of God is not bound". That being said, you are right also about putting translations to the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never Alone Posted October 6, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 23 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 35 % - of the Hebrew contained in the Dead Sea Scrolls match exactly identical with the Masoretic text but only about ( 0.5 to 1 % ) - of the Dead Sea Scroll fragments found in Greek - show support todays version of the Greek Septuagint, the remaining other 55 % of the other Dead Sea Scroll materials do not match or confirm any protestant bible version nor any other manuscripts that have been found for our Protestant Bible Manuscripts Over half - " 55 % " - of all Dead Sea Scroll materials discovered between 1947 and 1956 do not support or match any other manuscripts nor match up to any translation anywhere. - for our Protestant Bible Manuscripts In the dead sea scrolls there were found aprox 203 verses in the Greek language - for the Old Testament, however, there are an approximate 23,145 total verses that are contained in the entire Hebrew Old Testament Here are the aprox 203 Greek passages found in the Dead Sea Scrolls for the Old Testament that could be attributed to the Greek Septuagint verse - found in the Dead Sea Scrolls 4Q119 - Greek Septuagint. Leviticus. Chapter 26: 2 – 3 - 6 – 9 – 14 4Q120 - Greek Septuagint. Leviticus 1: 11 _ 2: 3 - 4 - 7 _ 3: 4 - 7 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 13 - 14 _ 4: 3 - 4 - 6 - 8 - 10 - 11 - 18 - 19 - 26 - 27 - 28 - 30 _ 5: 6 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 _ 6: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 4Q121 - Greek Septuagint. Numbers 3: 40 - 41 - 42 - 43 - 50 _ 4: 1 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 – 16 4Q122 - Greek Septuagint. Deuteronomy 11: - 4 7Q1 - Greek Septuagint. Exodus 28: 4 - 5 - 6 – 7 8HevXIIgr - Septuagint Jonah 1: - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 Jonah 2: -1 - 2 - 3 - 5 - 6 Jonah 3: - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 Jonah 4: - 1 - 2 - 5 Micah 1: - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 Micah 2: - 7 - 8 Micah 3: - 5 - 6 Micah 4: - 3 - 4 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 Micah 5: - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 Nahum 1: - 13 Nahum 2 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 12 - 13 Nahum 3: - 3 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 Habakkuk 1: - 6 - 7 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 15 - 16 – 17 Habakkuk 2: - 1 - 2 - 3 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 - 20 Habakkuk 3: - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 Zephaniah 1: - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 Zephaniah 2: - 9 - 10 Zephaniah 3: - 7 Zechariah 1: - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 12 - 13 – 21 Zechariah 2: - 3 - 4 - 5 - 7 - 8 - 12 Zechariah 3: - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 Zechariah 8: - 19 - 20 - 21 - 23 Zechariah 9: - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 there are about ( 0.5 to 1 % ) - of the Dead Sea Scroll fragments found in Greek - within the Dead Sea Scrolls - for the Old Testament. Could it be that just because people were making Greek translations of the Old Testament does not necessary provide evidence or proof to support a completed Greek Septuagint - especially when less that 1 % of Greek manuscripts exist - today - to show what existed as Old Testament Greek translation before the Lord Jesus Christ. also the remaining 55 % of Dead Sea Scrolls are materials that exist - are either not supporting the Bible Translations we have today or they are Apocryphal writings or materials not related to the Bible The DEAD SEA SCROLLS - - are are a body of ancient manuscript material that confirm roughly - 35 - 50 % of all that is known and accepted today by Protestants as - the Bible. -as Masoretic texts this includes confirmation _ for about 0.5 to 1 % of the Greek Septuagint - itself, as it exists today this includes confirmation _ for about ( 35 % ) of the Masoretic manuscripts - itself, as it exists today Dead Sea Scrolls also contained 5 copies of Tobit, 3 manuscripts of the Wisdom of Jesus ben Sirah (Ecclesiasticus), 1 manuscript of the Epistle of Jeremiah (not actually written by Jeremiah). 1 manuscript of The book of Enoch is represented in 12 copies from Qumran, and 13 manuscripts of Jubilees The DEAD SEA SCROLLS are very important - its not that the Dead Sea Scrolls contradict or prove the Protestant Bible to be wrong it's simply just that around 50 - 55 % of the DEAD SEA SCROLLS are missing or do not contain what is contained as the Protestant Bible as a completed Bible, this is not a problem - the DEAD SEA SCROLLS artifacts discovered - simply have around 25 - 35 % of what is considered as the Protestant Bible. and they are in agreement this is - what we can see - and perceive and what can be proven from all that I have found. Edited October 6, 2023 by Never Alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never Alone Posted October 6, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 23 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted October 6, 2023 after 25 years of trying to fully view the online materials for the Dead Sea Scrolls I have found that one must be financially invested and academically associated with a n organization for studying and paying money be EDUCATED about topical and subjects and parts of the - Dead Sea Scrolls as a project for reviewing parts ( EDUCATIONAL SUBJECTS ) as historical educational classes and studies and involved in an educational program or associated with an affiliated organization - in order to see, review and have access to a specific limited range of photos - / limited - of the Dead Sea Scrolls. I still have been unable to review , study and view all of the Dead Sea Scrolls without giving my Identity, personal address or taking classes and studies involved in educational program - or associated with an affiliated organization approved by the business holdings of the Dead Sea Scroll holdings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never Alone Posted October 6, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 23 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) the Dead Sea Scrolls for review, need to know - who I am, where I live, what I believe and subscribe to - whom's organization I am associated with and ultimately - what I will say after receiving a program to view portions of scrolls are there any other brothers and sisters who also simply believe to be better off - by not distributing personal identity to the government agency agents need excuses - - without an cause or reason / excuse - the agent discovering things from untoward, off-path sources,. - can compromise the agent, if needed, this compromise can be also an agent transformed into - Deputy Agent } temp still, either way /\ we are the bugs who need environment Edited October 6, 2023 by Never Alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted October 7, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,250 Content Per Day: 3.32 Reputation: 16,662 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted October 7, 2023 I use NKJV, ESV, AMP, and ALT3 (Analytical-Literal Translation). I refer to Young's and Green's literal translations as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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