Marvin74 Posted July 11, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 101 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/09/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 hour ago, FJK said: @Marvin74, So it makes no difference whether one is Christian or not? All paths lead to God (a belief currently being professed by many)? We'll end up in the same place, Mother Teresa and Jeffrey Dahmer share in the same fate in eternity? Why would we be told of such a thing and also given the laws of God that we must obey, as Einstein would say "Why would God do it this way?". Is the purpose of Christ, effectively, just a means and way to avoid a short jail sentence on the way to eternity with God? Believing in and following Jesus is the only way to enter God's Kingdom. It's not a matter of "if" one will be saved, but when. Yes, at the end of the ages, Jeffrey Dahmer and Mother Teresa will be in God's Kingdom along with the everyone else. Why does God "do it this way"? I can't pretend to speak for the almighty. My personal belief is that our life in this world is about learning faith, Godliness, and obedience. God is a refiner and we are what is being refined in preparation for entry and life in his eternal kingdom. Faith in and obedience to Jesus saves people from judgment, condemnation, and an unpleasant visit to the Lake of Fire. We don't know the specifics of that experience but it's clear that it is to be avoided. However, in spite of what the poorly translated English Bibles claim, it is not for "eternity", as evidenced by the plethora of scriptures that I just shared with you. If punishment is eternal then all of those verses are wrong. Let me ask you a question. Does faith in Jesus save us from God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted July 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.66 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Marvin74 said: Let me ask you a question. Does faith in Jesus save us from God? Jesus is God, the "Son" part of "The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin74 Posted July 11, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 101 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/09/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2023 Just now, FJK said: Jesus is God, the "Son" part of "The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit". Exactly. So let me ask again. Does faith in and obedience to Jesus save us from God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted July 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.66 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Marvin74 said: Exactly. So let me ask again. Does faith in and obedience to Jesus save us from God? From my view, that's like asking "Does God save us from God?". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin74 Posted July 11, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 101 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/09/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2023 14 minutes ago, FJK said: From my view, that's like asking "Does God save us from God?". That's exactly right. Yet, many believe that we must follow Jesus in this lifetime or else God is going to punish them FOREVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted July 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.66 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Marvin74 said: That's exactly right. Yet, many believe that we must follow Jesus in this lifetime or else God is going to punish them FOREVER. You believe we have more than one lifetime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin74 Posted July 11, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 101 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/09/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, FJK said: You believe we have more than one lifetime? No. I was referring to our life on Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin74 Posted July 11, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 101 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/09/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2023 Here's another insightful verse. 2 Samuel 14:14 esv 14 We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted July 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.66 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Marvin74 said: Here's another insightful verse. 2 Samuel 14:14 esv 14 We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast. I have no problem reconciling your belief with all the Eastern religions, with New Age thinking, even chanting "Un Yelliman" throughout the day, or with Judiasm and Zoroastrianism, but I cannot reconcile it with Christianity since it makes Jesus as Christ, even the need for Christ, meaningless or with Islam. Do you believe all paths lead to God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin74 Posted July 11, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 101 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/09/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, FJK said: I have no problem reconciling your belief with all the Eastern religions, with New Age thinking, even chanting "Un Yelliman" throughout the day, or with Judiasm and Zoroastrianism, but I cannot reconcile it with Christianity since it makes Jesus as Christ, even the need for Christ, meaningless or with Islam. Do you believe all paths lead to God? I acknowledged that Jesus is the only way to God. I shared a plethora of scriptures with you that demonstrate that, in the end, ALL will be with God. Do you believe that Jesus saves ALL people, as Paul said in 1 Timothy 4:10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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