douggg Posted June 29, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) @ Shilohsfold What we have to do in our study of eschatology is find all of the passages in the bible that are time of the end specific. And put those together in a timeline of events - so we have a clear picture of what is going to take place. The two most beneficial ways for us to achieve our goal of a timeline of events are. 1. Track through the prophecies, and determine the path of the arch villain of the end times. ...from his beginnings to his end when he will be cast alive into the lake of fire. He goes through several roles along that path, beginning as the little horn and ending as the beast king. 2. The second beneficial way is to make note of all the timeframes given in the various end times passages - like the 7 years, the 1260 days, the 1290 days, the 1335th day, the time/times/half times, the 2300 days, the 3 1/2 days, the 42 months. Arrange those in the correct order so our timeline fits together without conflicts. Edited June 29, 2023 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted June 29, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, douggg said: The time of the end in Daniel 11 begins with verse 36, the willful king. That king will be the king of the West - the beast king of the EU, with allies likely of the U.S. and Canada, the rest of the powerful western nations, who will be controlling all of the middle east oil at that time. Near the end of the 7 years, the king of the south will push at "him" the king of the West. Upon seeing that, the king of the North with quickly join in to attack "him" the king of the West. 40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. To add to the king of the West's worries, news out of the east and more from the north are heading toward him. These movements will be a prelude to Armageddon, drawing all nations into the middle east. Incorrect.Daniel himself says the time of the end starts with Daniel 11:40 You simply don't pay attention to what you read. Daniel 11:40 At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. You also have showed that you have not paid any attention to the rest of the chapter as well so you don't know who's who in this chapter. Edited June 29, 2023 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted June 29, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Incorrect.Daniel himself says the time of the end starts with Daniel 11:40 You simply don't pay attention to what you read. You are the one not paying attention to what you read. It does not say "start" anywhere in Daniel 11:40. Instead, it says "At the time of the end". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted June 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, douggg said: You are the one not paying attention to what you read. It does not say "start" anywhere in Daniel 11:40. Instead, it says "At the time of the end". And he never says the time of the end starts before then . He states at the time of the end ,the king of the south attacks the king of the north. The king of the south does not attack untill the time of the end. The time of the end was not in Daniel 11:36 The time of the end was not in Daniel 11:31. The time of the end was not in Daniel 11:21 The time of the end was not in Daniel 11:14 Edited June 30, 2023 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted June 30, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: The time of the end was not in Daniel 11:36 The transition verse to the time of the end is in Daniel 11:35. 35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. In the next four verses, the time of the end begins with verse 36 as it begins talking about the time of the end king who claims to be greater than every god. And shall speak marvelous thing against the God of gods. Just as the beast king of Revelation 13:5-6 does - because he is that beast king. And disregards "the God of his fathers" because he is a Jew. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted June 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, douggg said: The transition verse to the time of the end is in Daniel 11:35. 35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. In the next four verses, the time of the end begins with verse 36 as it begins talking about the time of the end king who claims to be greater than every god. And shall speak marvelous thing against the God of gods. Just as the beast king of Revelation 13:5-6 does - because he is that beast king. And disregards "the God of his fathers" because he is a Jew. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. The time of the end did not begin when the last king of the north became king in Daniel 11:21. The time of the end did not begin in Daniel 11:31 when he gives the little horn a host to abolished the daily sacrifice. The time of the end did not begin in Daniel 11:33 when the saints warned the unbelievers not to worship the beast or take it's mark. The time of the end did not begin when the king of the north divides the west bank and causes the little horn to rule over many in Daniel 11:39. The time of the end in Daniel 11:44 is when the king of the south which is the beast from the abiss attacks and kills the two witnesses in Jerusalem. 3.5 days later the man of sin is destroyed in Daniel 11:45 and all of Daniel people who's names are written in the lambs book of life are saved and the dead are raised in Daniel 12:2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted June 30, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: The time of the end did not begin in Daniel 11:31 when he gives the little horn a host to abolished the daily sacrifice. The little horn is not in Daniel 11:31. The little horn of Daniel 8 and Daniel 7 is time of the end. Daniel 11:31 is ancient history; the vile person was Antiochus IV. The time of the end verses in Daniel 11 begin in Daniel 11:36, with the arch villain of the end times already in the role of being the beast king. --------------------------------------------------- 1. Track through the prophecies, and determine the path of the arch villain of the end times. ...from his beginnings to his end when he will be cast alive into the lake of fire. He goes through several roles along that path, beginning as the little horn and ending as the beast king. He begins as the little horn, leader over ten EU leaders. Following the Gog/Magog event, he becomes the prince who shall come. Upon arriving in the middle east, the Jews will errantly believe that he is their long awaited messiah. He will be anointed the King of Israel, coming in his own name. At that point, he becomes the Antichrist. He will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant, and the 7 years will begin. About 3 years into the 7 years, he will commit the transgression of desolation act, revealing himself as the man of sin - and not the messiah after all. The Jews will reject him from continuing as their King of Israel, ending his time as the Antichrist. He will be killed for his audacious act of claiming to have achieved god-hood, and sitting in the temple. Shorty, thereafter, he will be brought back to life as the beast. The ten EU leaders will hand their EU kingdom over to the beast to be dictator of the EU - the king of the West. Handing their kingdom over to the beast is in Revelation 17:17. Edited June 30, 2023 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted June 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, douggg said: The little horn is not in Daniel 11:31. The little horn of Daniel 8 and Daniel 7 is time of the end. Daniel 11:31 is ancient history; the vile person was Antiochus IV. The time of the end verses in Daniel 11 begin in Daniel 11:36, with the arch villain of the end times already in the role of being the beast king. --------------------------------------------------- 1. Track through the prophecies, and determine the path of the arch villain of the end times. ...from his beginnings to his end when he will be cast alive into the lake of fire. He goes through several roles along that path, beginning as the little horn and ending as the beast king. He begins as the little horn, leader over ten EU leaders. Following the Gog/Magog event, he becomes the prince who shall come. Upon arriving in the middle east, the Jews will errantly believe that he is their long awaited messiah. He will be anointed the King of Israel, coming in his own name. At that point, he becomes the Antichrist. He will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant, and the 7 years will begin. About 3 years into the 7 years, he will commit the transgression of desolation act, revealing himself as the man of sin - and not the messiah after all. The Jews will reject him from continuing as their King of Israel, ending his time as the Antichrist. He will be killed for his audacious act of claiming to have achieved god-hood, and sitting in the temple. Shorty, thereafter, he will be brought back to life as the beast. The ten EU leaders will hand their EU kingdom over to the beast to be dictator of the EU - the king of the West. Handing their kingdom over to the beast is in Revelation 17:17. You are so lost douggg. Israel is the little horn You believe the saints in revelation 20 inherit Europe.roflol It's the land of Israel that they inherit. Edited June 30, 2023 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted June 30, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: The time of the end in Daniel 11:44 is when the king of the south which is the beast from the abiss attacks and kills the two witnesses in Jerusalem. 3.5 days later the man of sin is destroyed in Daniel 11:45 and all of Daniel people who's names are written in the lambs book of life are saved and the dead are raised in Daniel 12:2. Make note of all the timeframes given in the various end times passages - like the 7 years, the 1260 days, the 1290 days, the 1335th day, the time/times/half times, the 2300 days, the 3 1/2 days, the 42 months. Arrange those in the correct order so your timeline fits together without conflicts. The two witnesses 1260 days of prophesying are the first half of the 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted June 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, douggg said: Make note of all the timeframes given in the various end times passages - like the 7 years, the 1260 days, the 1290 days, the 1335th day, the time/times/half times, the 2300 days, the 3 1/2 days, the 42 months. Arrange those in the correct order so your timeline fits together without conflicts. The two witnesses 1260 days of prophesying are the first half of the 7 years. There is no seven years listed in end times. That was just your imagination running away with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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