The Last Enemy

[Mr. M]

34 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Only thing is his second coming takes place before the 1000 year millinium when he resurrects the saints who died during the tribulation .

Those who will not worship the beast or it's image or recieves it's mark and are killed for their witness of Jesus and for the word of God.Those guys deserve to keep the Sabbath day ,don't you think?

Then to your understanding, during the Millennium there is no death?

[Mr. M]

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Death is an enemy of God?

Thats a new one on me.

If death is our enemy, and we are in Christ, then death is Christ's enemy.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 minute ago, Mr. M said:

Then to your understanding, during the Millennium there is no death?

Sure there is,but not to those who have been resurected in the first resurection .

Those who are resurected in the first resurection don't suffer a second death. They already died once doing what Jesus told them to do .They don't die again.

 

Revelation 20

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

⁵ But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

[Mr. M]

2 hours ago, Philologos said:

Micah’s prophecy does not indicate what law the nations will be under, but it is not the same law as was given to Moses, as Micah wrote regarding the last days:

“All nations may walk in the name of their gods, but we will walk in the Name of YHWH.”

The Prophets do mention a requirement for each nation to annually send a delegate to honor Him in order to ‘get rain.’  
 

Micah 4:2 Many nations shall come and say,
“Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths.
For out of Zion the law shall go forth,
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

“All nations may walk in the name of their gods,

but we will walk in the Name of YHWH.”

This is the case now, but in the Millennium, the 

nations will not walk in the name of any other God/god,

unless you think that Micah is prophesying the end of the Ten.

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

In accordance with the Law of Moses.

Malachi 4:4 Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.

[Mr. M]

37 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Sure there is,but not to those who have been resurected in the first resurection .

Those who are resurected in the first resurection don't suffer a second death. They already died once doing what Jesus told them to do .They don't die again.

Psalm 110:1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken

by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

1 Corinthians 15:

24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when 

He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 

25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 

26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 

During the Millennium, Christ rules through His Elect.

Revelation 2:

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

[Mr. M]

1 minute ago, Mr. M said:

26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 

Revelation 20:

14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 

15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

NOW, the Father and the Son come to the earth.

Revelation 21:

1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 

2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 

3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

[Shilohsfoal]

9 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Psalm 110:1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken

by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

1 Corinthians 15:

24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when 

He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 

25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 

26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 

During the Millennium, Christ rules through His Elect.

Revelation 2:

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

So you don't believe Christ comes in the clouds and gathers his elect.You just believe he stays where he is and his elect are not gatherd together to him at his coming?

You just believe his elect gather themselves together?

Am I getting what your saying?

Edited June 22, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Mr. M]

12 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You just believe his elect gather themselves together?

That makes no sense.

 

13 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Am I getting what your saying?

Clearly you are not. You do realize that the feast of tabernacles 

is the feast of in-gathering. Why would the nations observe 

the feast of Tabernacles yearly during the Millennium if the 

gathering has already occurred?

16 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So you don't believe Christ comes in the clouds and gathers his elect.You just believe he stays where he is and his elect are not gatherd together to him at his coming?

Are you equating "comes in the clouds" for the first resurrection,

to the Father and the Son coming to permanently dwell among us

at the end of the age, with a new heaven and a new earth?

Is there a new heaven and earth in place before the Millennium?

Your position is not addressing the scriptures or the summation made

in the OP. You began by questioning how death was an enemy of the Lord,

which I have addressed, but otherwise, you are disregarding what those scriptures

referenced inform us. He must remain in heaven until the restitution of ALL THINGS

spoken of by ALL the prophets. He must remain at the right hand of the Father

until all enemies are under His feet. 

In the millennium the Elect who rule in Christ are under the Lord's prince.

Ezekiel 34:

23 I will establish one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them—My servant David. He shall feed them and be their shepherd. 

24 And I, the Lord, will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I, the Lord, have spoken.

Ezekiel 37:

24 David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 

25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever.

Jeremiah 30:

9 But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.

10 Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob, says the Lord,
Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.

[Shilohsfoal]

18 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

That makes no sense.

 

Clearly you are not. You do realize that the feast of tabernacles 

is the feast of in-gathering. Why would the nations observe 

the feast of Tabernacles yearly during the Millennium if the 

gathering has already occurred?

Are you equating "comes in the clouds" for the first resurrection,

to the Father and the Son coming to permanently dwell among us

at the end of the age, with a new heaven and a new earth?

Is there a new heaven and earth in place before the Millennium?

Your position is not addressing the scriptures or the summation made

in the OP. You began by questioning how death was an enemy of the Lord,

which I have addressed, but otherwise, you are disregarding what those scriptures

referenced inform us. He must remain in heaven until the restitution of ALL THINGS

spoken of by ALL the prophets. He must remain at the right hand of the Father

until all enemies are under His feet. 

In the millennium the Elect who rule in Christ are under the Lord's prince.

Ezekiel 34:

23 I will establish one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them—My servant David. He shall feed them and be their shepherd. 

24 And I, the Lord, will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I, the Lord, have spoken.

Ezekiel 37:

24 David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 

25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever.

Jeremiah 30:

9 But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.

10 Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob, says the Lord,
Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.

The nations that gather to the feast of tabernacles every year are not resurected.They havnt died.What makes you think they are the elect?

Israel will reign over those nations.

 

Isaiah 14:2

Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.

 

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Mr. M]

24 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The nations that gather to the feast of tabernacles every year are not resurected

I did not say they were. I said, that keeping that feast would be moot if the gathering

had already occurred. Why don't they keep Passover? Fairly obvious.

25 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

What makes you think they are the elect?

Seriously? I never called them the elect. I said the elect are ruling! Just as you.

You seem to be a bit hasty.

26 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Israel will reign over those nations.

Israel or the elect Jew and Gentile, the Israel of God?

27 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Isaiah 14:2

Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.

 

And now you answer to your own point. Does the Lord actually gather Israel,

or does He cause the nations that possessed them to bring them?

Answered above.