The prophecy of antichrist

[Stewardofthemystery]

17 hours ago, AdHoc said:

In Revelation 17:8 "he" (male singular) rises out of the bottomless pit. "He" must be a man for he "was" and angels cannot die.

The above statement suggests a “physical resurrection”of a flesh and blood dead man out of the bottomless pit.

But we know by the words of Jesus there is no resurrection before “the last day.” And there is no resurrection of “the dead” at the first resurrection. The first resurrection is to the “living” in Christ, who shall not taste of the second death.

This should tell you that it is not “a flesh and blood man”that rises out of the bottomless pit, or the earth.

As it is also written…

Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

If I were to preach the Spirit of Truth, (which Jesus said would come in John 15:26, John 16:13,) is a single individual “man”figure yet to come in the future, you would probably think I was nuts; and rightly so!

But what’s equally odd to me is how soooo many people have been led to believe that “the spirit of a lie;” that was also prophesied to come, (and did come as is written); is now believed by so many to be a single individual flesh and blood man figure "yet to come" in the future, called “Antichrist.”

Many true prophets spoke by the Spirit of Christ which was “in”them (1 Peter 1:11). Just as many false prophets were forecast to speak by the spirit of antichrist (spirit of a lie) which was “in”them (1 John 2:18).

Both the Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit) and the spirit of a lie (spirit of the Devil or spirit of anti- christ) are spoken of as both “he” and “it” in scripture.

Just as there is a Holy Triune shown in the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth), and there is also an unholy triune shown in the Dragon, the beast, and the false prophet spirit (or spirit of a lie, aka anti-christ spirit.)

And just as there is a Father of the Word, which is Truth: so also is there a father of the lie, whose father is the Devil.
 

Jesus said of the Devil in John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of “it.”

Notice Jesus called the Devil the father of "it"; which is the lie. This is an important clue, which I will get to in just a bit.

One point I want to make in this study is by comparing "spiritual things with spiritual" in the connection between the Spirit, and the mouth (or voice) given; symbolized also by the horn (or trumpet.)

I also want to point out in this study is the connection between “it” which is the spirit of a lie, the anti christ spirit, the little horn, and the tail of the Red Dragon found in many parts of scripture.

Just as God the Father is the Father of the Son and Spirit of Truth, or Spirit of Christ; by which the true prophets spoke by. The Old Serpent, or the Devil is the father of “it", or “the spirit of a lie” by which many false prophets would also speak by. (one spirit works in many)

First let’s go to the beginning to unravel this mystery, where we can find the mention of “it” bruising the head of the serpent in Genesis 3:15 

“And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; “it”shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

Notice the word bruise in the above verse is the strong’s number H7779. This word in the Hebrew is also shown as “cover”in Psalm 139:11 “If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover ( H7779) me; even the night shall be light about me.”

I believe this is also why Satan (the father of lies) is shown as the “covering cherub” working in man (Adam) as shown in Ezekiel 28:16; Because the lie tries to “cover”up the Truth, or “darken”the Light of the Truth in God’s words.

If our Father in heaven is the Father of the Light and of the children of the day, the Devil would be the opposite of that being the father of the children of the night and of darkness. (1 Thessalonians 5:5)

Keep in mind the Prince of this world is Satan, and his spirit is also known as the spirit of this world as well, as shown in Ephesians 2:2 “Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, “the spirit” that now worketh “in”the children of disobedience:”

Also here in 1 John 4:3 “And “every spirit”that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is “that spirit”of anti christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is “it”in the world.”

Again notice John referred to the spirit of anti christ as “it”, and also notice John said "it" (anti christ spirit) was already in the world.

The anti-christ spirit is opposed to the Truth, as Christ is the Word of Truth, and so to be anti christ is to be anti truth as well.

It, the spirit of a lie, is also known as “he” just as the Spirit of Truth is known as He in scripture as well.

This verse here shows the 2 opposing spirits called “he”in 1 John 4:4 “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is “he”that is in you, than “he”that is in the world.”

Notice “it” or “he” is in the world just as we saw "he" is also "in" the children of disobedience in Ephesians 2:2.

Also notice here Jesus said “it” is working in the peoples, such as kings and rulers of the world, who would seek a testimony from his disciples in 

Luke 21:13 “And "it" shall turn to you for a testimony.”

Now let’s prove this out further as to why the world cannot receive the Spirit of Truth in John 14:17 “Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because "it" seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be “in”you.”

Again notice Jesus calls the spirit working “in”the world as "it".

This also confirms the He who is in us,(Spirit of Truth) and he that is "in" the world (spirit of a lie) as shown earlier.

He, or “it” does not know the Spirit of Truth because no lie is of the Truth as shown here in 1 John 2:21 “I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is “of”the truth.”

Again notice the anointing of the Holy Spirit is Truth and abides in us in 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth “in”you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”

OK, now that we have established that this wicked spirit was, and is already in the world, and is also in the children of disobedience.
 

Let’s confirm how “it”, the spirit of the lie is the same tail of the Red Dragon, and the spirit in the little horn, or “he”; and is the anti christ spirit that was prophesied to come, and is confirmed as already in the world as we saw in (1 John 4:3)

Daniel 8:9-12 “And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.10 And “it”waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and “it”cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and “it”cast down the truth to the ground; and “it”practised, and prospered.”

Notice “it” the spirit of a lie, or lies working in a host (many deceivers) would wax exceedingly great in the world, “it” the lie would also cast down “the truth”to the ground, and also notice “it” cast some of the host and stars to the ground. (symbolizing the fallen angels) 

This will also help us make the connection to the tail of the red Dragon in ….

Revelation 12:3-4 “And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.4 And “his tail”drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.”

The “tail” symbolizes the false prophet spirit (spirit of anti-christ) that was prophesied to come and work “in”many deceivers as written ( 1 John 2:18, 2 John 1:7).

This verse here confirms the sign of the tail being the false prophet spirit in Isaiah 9:15 “The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is “the tail.”

Also we know no single flesh and blood man is physically able to cast the host and stars (angels) of heaven to the ground. But the Devil by the spirit of the lie, and causing them to “believe lies”can, and did, by way of deception. 
 

Revelation 12:9“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

Just as “he” or “it” in the little horn that speaks, or anti christ spirit would also deceive the whole world and cast “the truth”to the ground as we saw in Daniel 8:11.

One might ask why the anti christ spirit is shown as a little horn. Horns in scripture often signify a show of strength like in a Prince or King, but they are also shown to signify “a voice”given by the spirit who controls “it”, be “it” of the Truth, or be "it"of the lie.

Notice here the horn has a voice in Daniel 7:11 “I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.”

This sign of the horn being given a "voice" is also shown in the horn of Israel being given an "opening of the mouth", or a voice in Ezekiel 29:21

The horns in scripture are also symbolized as trumpets, like in the story of the fall of Jericho you had 7 priests with 7 ram’s "horns", and in the book of Revelation we see 7 angels with 7 "trumpets". We also see the mention of the voices “like” the trumpet (horns) in scripture. Isaiah 58:1, Revelation 1:10, Revelation 4:1, Revelation 8:13.

I also believe the 7 voices like trumpets are symbolized on the Lamb of God with 7 horns in Revelation 5:6 “And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”

The eyes represent how one sees, perceives, understands, and also how one interprets scripture as God’s Spirit gives us all these gifts; which all were prophesied to be in Jesus Christ as well. (Isaiah 11:2)

But the little horn also had eyes, but sees as “a man sees” (being carnally minded) but does not see as God sees (or spiritually minded). Notice here God is asked in Job 10:4 “Hast thou eyes of flesh? or seest thou as man seeth?” And of course God does not see things as a man sees them.

But the spirit of this world causes men to see with eyes of flesh=judges by outward appearance, and is also carnally minded, only knowing what it knows naturally as a “natural brute beast.”

Notice in Daniel 7:8….. behold, in this horn were eyes like “the eyes of man,”and a mouth speaking great things.”

So basically those who were given over to the spirit of this world would see with the eyes of "flesh", having the vail of the flesh “covering their minds,” or be carnally minded not believing in, perceiving, or understanding the spiritual things of God (1 Corinthians 2:14).

And those who are of their father the devil, and of his spirit, also being of the world would also speak great swelling words against the knowledge of God.

These would also be opposed to the Truth, as they would also boast in their own carnal knowledge and understanding, much like many false teachers, false religions, false beliefs, even in man’s science (falsely so-called) that is being pushed today as "the truth", but is really lies.

All these would really be speaking lies dressed up like the truth, or they “speak as a dragon”even though they may look like a lamb outwardly by appearance, as shown in Revelation 13:11.

So we by our Father in heaven are given a mouth, or voice (horn) and wisdom (eyes to see and understand by the Holy Spirit) Jesus said in Luke 21:15 “For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.” Just as Jesus said we would speak with “new tongues” in Mark 16:17

But the father of this world would also give his disciples a tongue and a mouth full of lies and deceit by his “lying spirit”working in all them.

And they also having their tongues set on fire of hell by the same spirit of the little horn, which as we saw earlier in Daniel that was also forecast to boast great things.

Now notice what James says here in James 3:4-8 “Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. Even so “the tongue is a little member,”and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire “of hell.”
7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.”

So just as by One Spirit we who are in One Body of Christ speak His words by the Spirit of Truth; so too those who are of the spirit of this world are enjoined together into one body of the Beast, and they speak lies by the spirit of their father the Devil.

The Red Dragon empowers the body of the scarlet colored Beast by his spirit giving it a mouth to many deceivers.

Notice how the power is in the tongue…. Proverbs 18:21 “Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.”

We who are of the Lamb of God have the testimony of Jesus Christ by the Spirit of Truth dwelling in us; His words spoken by us have the power to save life. But those who are empowered by the Red Dragon speak lies to deceive and lead many astray into Death, hell, and Destruction.

Notice the Dragon gives power to the sea Beast in… Revelation 13:2, Revelation 13:4

Notice in verse 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Another beast arises out of the earth, (false prophet image) and is given the same power as the first beast…Revelation 13:12 for he also spoke as a Dragon
He had power to give life (give a mouth) to prop up the (inward worldly) image of the beast….Revelation 13:15

Also ten kings receive power with the beast Revelation 17:12 and they in turn give their power (voice to speak the same lies) Revelation 17:13“These have “one mind,” and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.”

We see this power of lies working in every aspect of society today, from schools, to governments, in science and medicine, on television, and all over the internet. Truly lies are "practicing and prospering" as was prophesied.

Jesus said that his disciples would receive “power” from on high in Luke 24:49, which power is also in His words of Life by the Spirit of Life.

We see in the Beast and Kings of the earth a unified way of thinking,(one mind) and also a unified voice to promote their false doctrine which would also make war with the doctrine of the Lamb.
 

But we know by the words of God who wins the war in the end. Revelation 17:14 “These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”

So I hope this will give you more insight into the deeper spiritual things of God.
 

Peace and God bless.

[AdHoc]

4 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

The above statement suggests a “physical resurrection”of a flesh and blood dead man out of the bottomless pit.

But we know by the words of Jesus there is no resurrection before “the last day.” And there is no resurrection of “the dead” at the first resurrection. The first resurrection is to the “living” in Christ, who shall not taste of the second death.

This should tell you that it is not “a flesh and blood man”that rises out of the bottomless pit, or the earth.

As it is also written…

Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

 

Very astute. I applaud you. The Beast, to be the one of the seven kings AND the eighth, must be resurrected. Yet the order in 1st Corinthians 15:23 is Christ and then "those who are His at His coming". So an exception must be made by God. And so we learn that something was "given" to him. 

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (Da 7:25)

Just as many other things are "GIVEN" him, an untimely resurrection is "GIVEN" to him ...

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Re 13:4–7)

According to Daniel Chapter 4 God it is who decides who rules and exercises power and who has life and death.

34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation: 35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? (vs.34–35)

 

[AdHoc]

2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

f I were to preach the Spirit of Truth, (which Jesus said would come in John 15:26, John 16:13,) is a single individual “man”figure yet to come in the future, you would probably think I was nuts; and rightly so!

Let us review the grammar of your proffered verse.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The Comforter is "FROM" the Father. He must be a divine Person - singular
The Comforter "proceedeth FROM". This second "from the Father" does not mean His journey. It means His origin.
"The Comforter" is His designation, like "The Lamb" is for Jesus
The Comforter is "sent". He is personified
The Comforter is "he" - male, singular
The Comforter will "testify". He has a mouth and intelligence

In light of this I would expect the Spirit of truth to be a divine Person (singular) who has His origin IN God and "comes" to the disciples of Jesus at Christ's command to testify of Jesus. This would make the Spirit of Truth "spirit" in nature and subordinate to both the Father and Jesus. He is commonly called "The Holy Spirit".

[Stewardofthemystery]

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Very astute. I applaud you. The Beast, to be the one of the seven kings AND the eighth, must be resurrected. Yet the order in 1st Corinthians 15:23 is Christ and then "those who are His at His coming". So an exception must be made by God. And so we learn that something was "given" to him. 

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (Da 7:25)

Just as many other things are "GIVEN" him, an untimely resurrection is "GIVEN" to him ...

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Re 13:4–7)

According to Daniel Chapter 4 God it is who decides who rules and exercises power and who has life and death.

34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation: 35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? (vs.34–35)

 

It is not flesh and blood men that are shown coming out of the bottomless pit, but rather “evil spirits”.

Revelation 9:1-4

King James Version

9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.”

[AdHoc]

8 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

It is not flesh and blood men that are shown coming out of the bottomless pit, but rather “evil spirits”.

Revelation 9:1-4

King James Version

9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.”

The bottomless pit is the way to at least two places - Hades and Tartaroo (where the angels are which misbehaved at Noah's time - 2nd Pet.2:4). Hades is the place of SOULS of men and Tartaroo is a place of SPIRITS. Since demons, also spirits, dwell in the ocean, and the oceans are deeper than the earth's mountains, we could make a case for the bottomless pit also leading to the watery deep. But spirits also came out the mouth of the Dragon (Rev.16:13-14) and he is still on earth at this time (Rev.12).

So there are many possibilities. But what is certain is that the Beast was a king at John's time and who had died. Now, there is no record of a spirit dying in the whole Bible, and Luke 20:35-36 says that angels (who are spirits) cannot die. So either the Beast is a man, and scripture says that his number is the number of a man, or he is some unknown creature who ruled Rome. Of this we have no record. If he is a king, has died, will come back, and is the same as the other six kings, there is not much room to deny that he is a man. 2nd Thessalonians 2:3 also calls him a man.

As I have shown, he (male, singular) violates none of God's natural laws. His only deviation is to be resurrected out of his time. By the way, he is one of the seven kings of John's lifetime and he is the eighth. "Eight" is the number of resurrection - "the morrow after the Sabbath". No verse needs to be interpreted or forced to make him a man who has died and is resurrected.

P.S. Have you ever considered that "bottomless pit" is a strange concept. A "pit", by definition, must have a bottom. A bottomless pit is essentially a hole right through the earth. Just thinking.

Go well bro.

[Stewardofthemystery]

14 hours ago, AdHoc said:

The bottomless pit is the way to at least two places - Hades and Tartaroo (where the angels are which misbehaved at Noah's time - 2nd Pet.2:4). Hades is the place of SOULS of men and Tartaroo is a place of SPIRITS. Since demons, also spirits, dwell in the ocean, and the oceans are deeper than the earth's mountains, we could make a case for the bottomless pit also leading to the watery deep. But spirits also came out the mouth of the Dragon (Rev.16:13-14) and he is still on earth at this time (Rev.12).

So there are many possibilities. But what is certain is that the Beast was a king at John's time and who had died. Now, there is no record of a spirit dying in the whole Bible, and Luke 20:35-36 says that angels (who are spirits) cannot die. So either the Beast is a man, and scripture says that his number is the number of a man, or he is some unknown creature who ruled Rome. Of this we have no record. If he is a king, has died, will come back, and is the same as the other six kings, there is not much room to deny that he is a man. 2nd Thessalonians 2:3 also calls him a man.

As I have shown, he (male, singular) violates none of God's natural laws. His only deviation is to be resurrected out of his time. By the way, he is one of the seven kings of John's lifetime and he is the eighth. "Eight" is the number of resurrection - "the morrow after the Sabbath". No verse needs to be interpreted or forced to make him a man who has died and is resurrected.

P.S. Have you ever considered that "bottomless pit" is a strange concept. A "pit", by definition, must have a bottom. A bottomless pit is essentially a hole right through the earth. Just thinking.

Go well bro.

Again, there is no physical resurrection of any man before the last day or the last trump per the words of God.

What you are seeing in the Revelation is evil spirits coming out of the bottomless pit, or Hell, and entering “into”men who are not sealed by God’s Holy Spirit.

The 7 headed Red Dragon represents a world wide evil body united in spirit,(Satan’s spirit) made up of many members, that worships the Red Dragon ( Satan) by serving sin.  Sin is the mark of the man/beast.

The other beast that comes out of the earth represents the “sin nature” in man that is also to be worshipped by those who are of the world. As sin is also “self serving” and is a form of “self worship.”  The image they worship is the image of “man,”or the image of “self.”

Also it is “the whole global beast system”that carries the woman (wickedness) that goes into destruction.  That is to say, all those who have the mark of sin (sinners) who are “of” the Devil are going into perdition.

Notice it is the whole global beast system that Carries the woman that goes into destruction, not a single man…

Revelation 17:7-11

King James Version

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of “the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.” (Notice This global beast system is what is going into perdition per the words of the angel)

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, “and go into perdition:”(again the angel confirms it is the above whole global beast system) and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, ( notice in verse 8 the beast that was, and is not, is the same beast that carried the woman) even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.”

So it is the whole global beast system ( that carried the woman) that is going into perdition.

It is the ungodly sinners that are going into perdition.

Isaiah 13:9

Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinnersthereof out of it.

 

2 Peter 3:7

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

[AdHoc]

On 7/13/2023 at 3:54 PM, Stewardofthemystery said:

Again, there is no physical resurrection of any man before the last day or the last trump per the words of God.

Let us examine the resurrection.

There were seven people recorded as having been resurrected even before Jesus was. Then, just after Jesus was a company of old testament saints resurrected (Matt.27). The last Trump is only for the Church's resurrection (1st Cor.15). Still to come is Israel (at the end of the Tribulation - Dan.12:1-2, Ezek.37) and then, 1,000 years later, "the rest of the dead" (Rev.19:1-6). The Beast should have been resurrected with "the rest of the dead" but it was given him to change times and laws. Nobody else is "given" this power and so they appear before the judgment seat in their appointed times.
1. Christ,
2. 2,000 years later at the Great Tribulation - the Church
3. AFTER the Great Tribulation - Israel
4. 1,000 years later - the "rest of the dead" (at the White Throne)

On 7/13/2023 at 3:54 PM, Stewardofthemystery said:

What you are seeing in the Revelation is evil spirits coming out of the bottomless pit, or Hell, and entering “into”men who are not sealed by God’s Holy Spirit.

Could you give scripture for this.

On 7/13/2023 at 3:54 PM, Stewardofthemystery said:

The 7 headed Red Dragon represents a world wide evil body united in spirit,(Satan’s spirit) made up of many members, that worships the Red Dragon ( Satan) by serving sin.  Sin is the mark of the man/beast.

The other beast that comes out of the earth represents the “sin nature” in man that is also to be worshipped by those who are of the world. As sin is also “self serving” and is a form of “self worship.”  The image they worship is the image of “man,”or the image of “self.”

Also it is “the whole global beast system”that carries the woman (wickedness) that goes into destruction.  That is to say, all those who have the mark of sin (sinners) who are “of” the Devil are going into perdition.

Notice it is the whole global beast system that Carries the woman that goes into destruction, not a single man…

In your argument for the Beast not being a single person is marked by additions that are not indicated by scripture. I realize that Revelation is full of imagery, but private interpretation is not allowed (2nd Pet.1:20). The Bible must be interpreted by itself, or by nature (Rom.1:20). There is nothing to indicate that the Beast is anything other than a man.

If I go by your preamble in the OP, you started your thesis without building a case for what you said. If scripture indicates, by the consistent use of the male, singular, that a man is described, and you want to show that something else is meant, you have to build a case using scripture as proof. In your preamble you equated the Beast with "the spirit of Antichrist". But on what grounds? The word "Anti-Christ" means "Replacement Christ" and Christ is a MAN.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

57 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

The Bible must be interpreted by itself, or by nature (Rom.1:20). There is nothing to indicate that the Beast is anything other than a man.

If I go by your preamble in the OP, you started your thesis without building a case for what you said. If scripture indicates, by the consistent use of the male, singular, that a man is described, and you want to show that something else is meant, you have to build a case using scripture as proof. In your preamble you equated the Beast with "the spirit of Antichrist". But on what grounds? The word "Anti-Christ" means "Replacement Christ" and Christ is a MAN.

 

The interpretation belongs to the Lord and to those whom He reveals it to by His Holy Spirit.

In my Op I laid out in detail why the spirit of antichrist is a single lying spirit that works in “many deceivers”(many men); and was already in the world per the testimony of John. This I have proven by multiple verses of scripture in my OP.

All I can do is testify of what the Lord has revealed to me by His Spirit.  But I cannot make men understand it.

Believe what you will.  Peace

 

 

[AdHoc]

4 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

The interpretation belongs to the Lord and to those whom He reveals it to by His Holy Spirit.

In my Op I laid out in detail why the spirit of antichrist is a single lying spirit that works in “many deceivers”(many men); and was already in the world per the testimony of John. This I have proven by multiple verses of scripture in my OP.

All I can do is testify of what the Lord has revealed to me by His Spirit.  But I cannot make men understand it.

Believe what you will.  Peace

 

 

Thank you for the courteous exchange.

Go well bro.