The Problem With Evolution Part 2- Animals

[RV_Wizard]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

There is no "religion" in the age of the earth.  That would be a fallacy.  Why are you so afraid of an old earth anyway?

I was always taught that the earth was old.  However, there is nothing in the Bible to support it and plenty to contradict it.  The Fourth Commandment tells us the God created everything in six days.  It doesn't say anything about restoring a previous earth, or about stars that had yet to be created.

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

 Ex 20:11 says He made (asah) out of existing materials the earth.

What it actually says is For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

No, you can't because the Bible doesn't give any clue as to how long Adam and the woman avoided the tree.  Some think only hours, while others think in terms of thousands of years. 

The woman's name was Eve.

If you actually read the Bible, Genesis 5 tells us "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."  So from creation Adam lived 930 years.  While it doesn't say how long it was before Adam sinned, we know he had Seth when he was 130 years old.  Cain had already killed Able and had been driven away.

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

 The Hebrew SAYS the earth BECAME an uninhabitable wasteland, just as the 2 Hebrew words mean in Jer 4:23 and Isa 34:11.

You claim it does.  Experts say it doesn't.  We'll never agree on this point.

[BeyondET]

17 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

That opinion cannot be sustained with the Scriptures.  God could have used any method of creation He desired.  However, He could not lie about it.

Who do you think created metamorphosis?

[BeyondET]

16 hours ago, Sparks said:

I think DNA Barcoding is evidence of God breathing life into Adam, but Adam didn't show up first though evolution.

Your breath is separate from your organs so was Adam's.

[BeyondET]

16 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

And humans, chimps and bonobos are placed in their own subcategory on genetic and anatomical grounds.    And great apes are in their own subcategory, and all apes in another, and so on.

All eukaryotes share more DNA in common than the differences.  So that's not surprising.    We all function pretty much the same ways, biochemically.

The interesting thing is if we build phylogenies based on DNA, they are very close to the same tree of life that Linnaeus found over 200 years ago, based on anatomy.

 

Though human and apes came from another ancestor, humans didn't evolve from apes.

[Sparks]

4 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Your breath is separate from your organs so was Adam's.

You might look into something called Irreducible Complexity.   It would prevent what you are suggesting.

[BeyondET]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

You might look into something called Irreducible Complexity.   It would prevent what you are suggesting.

And you might want to look into what a breath is made of, it's not DNA.

[RV_Wizard]

6 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Who do you think created metamorphosis?

God created everything.  Metamorphosis has no more to do with evolution than the maturation of a human from embryo to adulthood.

[RV_Wizard]

6 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Though human and apes came from another ancestor, humans didn't evolve from apes.

Humans didn't evolve from anything.

[BeyondET]

10 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

There is no "religion" in the age of the earth.  That would be a fallacy.  Why are you so afraid of an old earth anyway?

I've given no theory.  I have no idea what  happened that caused the earth to become an uninhabitable wasteland.  So please don't start making up such nonsense.

What I have given is what the words mean in Hebrew, in which Genesis was written.

Thank you for your unsolicited opinion.

No He didn't.  Ex 20:11 says He made (asah) out of existing materials the earth.  iow, the earth was already there.  He in fact restored it.  As "tohu wabohu" clearly indicates, from where the 2 words are used in the only other 2 places in the OT; Jer 4:23 and Isa 34:11.  And both of those passages clearly indicate a totally destroyed land.

No, you can't because the Bible doesn't give any clue as to how long Adam and the woman avoided the tree.  Some think only hours, while others think in terms of thousands of years.  We simply have no idea.  See?  No theories here.

OK, let's get real.  I never said anything a poor building.  The Hebrew SAYS the earth BECAME an uninhabitable wasteland, just as the 2 Hebrew words mean in Jer 4:23 and Isa 34:11.

And isa 45:18 says that God DID NOT create ( bara) the earth "tohu".  So you have a real problem with the contradiction that your favorite translation of Gen 1:2 creates.

It seems the issue is your fear of Darwinian evolution, which is totally put to rest by the actual meaning of Gen 1:2, which easily explains WHY the earth is as old as the scientists have measured it.  No "religion", no "theories", just the facts from the original Hebrew.

The wasteland is intriguing, the verse 6 below I've thought of it speaking of the flood and Noah. But verse 7 mentions the present heavens and earth which the flood of Noah's time I don't recall the heavens being a wasteland of sorts as well.

But in Genesis there is darkness on the surface of the deep (dark heavens) and the (wasteland earth) covered in water for which the present earth was restored/formed out of water by water. Because these verses below doesn't seem to be talking about the flood in Noah's time. In Genesis verse 2 there's the water that the dryland appears (formed) after being separated from the (by) water above.

2 Peter 3

5 But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water,

6 through which the world of that time perished in the flood.

7 And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

[BeyondET]

17 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

God created everything.  Metamorphosis has no more to do with evolution than the maturation of a human from embryo to adulthood.

Metamorphosis is a fast tracked type of evolution, caterpillar to a butterfly.

The caterpillar is totally wiped out nothing but soup of raw DNA. Then a stem cell turns on that holds the blueprint of the butterfly for which the soup is reconstructed into the butterfly. Yes both animals are from the same material but they evolve from one species to another overnight practically.

Edited December 29, 2023 by BeyondET