Scott Free Posted September 13, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 13, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Buzzard3 said: A lot of evolutionists state that it's a FACT that the history of life on earth proceeded according to the neo-Darwinian theory of evolution. They can't prove that it's a fact, but that doesn't stop them claiming that it is. It's that sort of disingenuous nonsense that has led me to view evolution science with a great deal of suspicion. There is more to the science than rumor would suggest. Peer-reviewed science journal articles have to be read and kept up with on a continuous bases to really know their current state of understanding. People like us arguing against it is like a lawyer pleading a case using law books published in 1860. Edited September 13, 2023 by Scott Free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard3 Posted September 14, 2023 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 271 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/25/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2023 12 hours ago, Scott Free said: There is more to the science than rumor would suggest. Peer-reviewed science journal articles have to be read and kept up with on a continuous bases to really know their current state of understanding. People like us arguing against it is like a lawyer pleading a case using law books published in 1860. Evolution science can include applied biology, since "evolution can be precisely defined as any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next" (Curtis and Barnes 1989: 974). I have no argument with useful applications of "evolution". But when it comes (alleged) evolution history, a lot of the so-called science consists of untestable hypotheses, with are just useless stories that don't even qualify as science. "It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way to put them to the test." Dr. Colin Patterson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted September 14, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,083 Content Per Day: 9.76 Reputation: 13,563 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2023 18 hours ago, Scott Free said: There is more to the science than rumor would suggest. Peer-reviewed science journal articles have to be read and kept up with on a continuous bases to really know their current state of understanding. People like us arguing against it is like a lawyer pleading a case using law books published in 1860. You opened with a thread called, " How the Bible Misdirects us When Applying The Natural Sciences" Who is "us"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted September 14, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,039 Content Per Day: 1.62 Reputation: 589 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2023 On 9/9/2023 at 9:16 AM, Scott Free said: The reason natural science and the Bible seem to differ is that the Bible is not an encyclopedia of modern knowledge. Many scriptures on these matters are catering to a Bronze/Iron Age audience or allegorical in nature, making it difficult to analyze, leading to mostly personal interpretations. Everyone, both Christians and Scientist have a partial picture of nature and history, together they make a bigger partial picture that is far from adequate. Only after Jesus returns will the Body of Christ have the faculties to understand the true workings of nature. Now, we can only spin our wheels in the air without any traction toward the absolute truth, except for our understanding of Jesus Christ. Be blessed with humility. Examples: "Praise Him, highest heavens, And the waters that are above the heavens!" - Psalm 148:4. Today, we call it "space", a concept unattainable to people of the Iron Age. Many early writers thought that there was a dome of water above them, based on their literal interpretations of several passages in the Bible. This shows the level of misunderstanding we can achieve. “The pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and on them He has set the world” - 1 Samuel 2:8 A modern view would be something like the core and mantle of the Earth are the Lord's, and around it he has placed the biosphere. The Bible's words are beautiful and preferred, nurturing both mind and heart with epic poetic imagery. "The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises." - Ecclesiastes 1:5. the Sun does not travel around the Earth, failure to promotion our current knowledge. Scriptures are not going to cater to our modern understanding of science, except through End Time prophecy. "Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture!" I Corinthians 13:9 The Genesis interpretation that makes the most sense. This illustrates how simple the language of Genesis might have to be toward it's targeted audience of Bronze Age society. Seven days of creation. Formation of the Solar System(time is relative to the observer): In the start of the creation story God is viewing the Earth as a potential contained within the formless mass at hand, only the mind of God can penetrate to this image. (The waters are a reference to the realm beyond sky, Psalm 148:4) 0) Nebula 1) Sun and planet formation(Earths mass forms umbra) 2) Atmospheric stratification(Moon formation caused Earth to temporarily have a thick expansive envelope exhibiting features of a gas planet) 3) Water world forming volcanic plates(algae/flora created, plate tectonics begin). 4) The clearing of the atmosphere(second light - carbon capture by algae and tectonics, carbon cycle begins) 5) Aquatic life and dinosaurs are created 6) Mammals/Mankind are created 7) The earth becomes God's completed work Perhaps I am misunderstanding the meaning of your post, but the bible is NOT in error in scientific things. It seems that you are attempting to change God's word to accommodate your limited understanding of his grand design. The bible is not a science book, however every scientific statement in it is true. You mentioned the bibles use of the terms "pillars of the earth" and "waters above the heavens". Personally I don't believe anyone actually thought that the earth sat on pillars. But people know God was holding the earth in place. Waters above the heavens is not a wrong statement. Before the flood there was a layer of water above the earth. We know the climate was vastly different before the flood. After the flood, there are clouds in the sky, or water above the heavens. Of course this could also be talking about the actual water in the 3rd heaven. I would also argue that the dinosaurs were created on day 6 with Adam and all the other animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted September 14, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,039 Content Per Day: 1.62 Reputation: 589 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2023 18 hours ago, Scott Free said: There is more to the science than rumor would suggest. Peer-reviewed science journal articles have to be read and kept up with on a continuous bases to really know their current state of understanding. People like us arguing against it is like a lawyer pleading a case using law books published in 1860. If I may, peer reviewed journals are not science or evidence of anything. They are simply what some fallible men have agreed to what other fallen men have said. Evolution ( at least Darwinism that teaches all life came from a single ancestor ) is 100% false. There is alot these days that pass for science, yet are not. Many things are unproven theories or philosophy's that are falsely being labeled science. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted September 14, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: Perhaps I am misunderstanding the meaning of your post, but the bible is NOT in error in scientific things. It seems that you are attempting to change God's word to accommodate your limited understanding of his grand design. The problem is not the Bible, it is our ability to perceive the subject matter. There is a separation between the two. Claiming to personally understand everything would be conceited, going against the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard3 Posted September 14, 2023 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 271 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/25/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) Post deleted Edited September 14, 2023 by Buzzard3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted September 14, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: If I may, peer reviewed journals are not science or evidence of anything. They are simply what some fallible men have agreed to what other fallen men have said. Evolution ( at least Darwinism that teaches all life came from a single ancestor ) is 100% false. There is alot these days that pass for science, yet are not. Many things are unproven theories or philosophy's that are falsely being labeled science. There is a reason evolution is called a theory. Are we so insecure as to be threatened by this? No one has access to absolute truth. They are doing the best they can and so are we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted September 14, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: It seems that you are attempting to change God's word to accommodate your limited understanding of his grand design. The assumption is that the words are clear—with plain and obvious meanings which do not require any type of sophisticated analysis or creativity. You must interpret the words and situations in the Bible, just as the rest of us do. No one is in a position to claim that they have the only correct view of biblical teachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted September 14, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,083 Content Per Day: 9.76 Reputation: 13,563 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Scott Free said: The assumption is that the words are clear—with plain and obvious meanings which do not require any type of sophisticated analysis or creativity. You must interpret the words and situations in the Bible, just as the rest of us do. No one is in a position to claim that they have the only correct view of biblical teachings. I see this as cancellation thinking. Noone knows anything, therefore nothing is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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