The Barbarian Posted March 15 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,051 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 15 30 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: Every one I ever met posts complete passages; not phrases taken out of context. When a sentence ends with "the evening and the morning were the fifth day, and you leave that out to claim it was millions of years, it is both a lie of omission and misrepresentation of what was written. As you learned, the text indicates that the "days" are not literal days. 31 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: There is no possible way to twist what is written to make room for evolution. Since evolution is constantly observed in living populations, you're clearly wrong. God cannot be falsified by His creation. 32 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: Evolution is in conflict with much of the Bible. As you have seen, there is no conflict with the Bible and evolution at all. How could there be? It's just a fact that we can verify almost everywhere. I think you're still confusing evolution (which is an observed phenomenon) with common descent of all living things, (which is a discovery of genetics, not evolutionary theory). Darwin, for example thought that God just created the first living things, and supposed that there might be any number of original created living things. Do I need to show you, again? 35 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: We all choose which we will believe. I'll go with the Bible as written. You can go with you new revisions of what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted March 15 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 738 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 313 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted March 15 8 hours ago, The Barbarian said: the same lame arguments he always uses. Genesis 1:29-31 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. So God said it was created in six days, the Barbarian says it took billions of years, and he doesn't see any difference between the two. That's his testimony. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted March 18 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,051 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 18 On 3/15/2024 at 5:41 AM, RV_Wizard said: So God said it was created in six days As you learned, the text itself says that they are not literal days at all. No point in denial. Only if you revise it to be a literal history does God's word conflict with His creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted March 20 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 738 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 313 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted March 20 On 3/18/2024 at 11:08 AM, The Barbarian said: As you learned, the text itself says that they are not literal days at all. No point in denial. As we all learned, I know more about the topography of Neptune than you do about the Bible. The text says three different ways that they were literal days. Pretending they say otherwise makes you look foolish. Why not just be honest enough to say that you don't believe the Bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted March 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,051 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20 4 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: As we all learned, I know more about the topography of Neptune than you do about the Bible. "Dunning-Kruger is strong in this one..." The text itself says that they were not literal days. Pretending they say otherwise makes you look foolish. Why not just be honest enough to say that you don't believe the Bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted March 21 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 738 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 313 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted March 21 9 hours ago, The Barbarian said: The text itself says that they were not literal days. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. As you have learned, the church accepted the six day creation pretty much unilaterally until the 18th century. Then heresies began to creep into the doctrine of some churches. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted March 21 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,051 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21 The text itself says that they were not literal days. 13 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. I don't think you're lying. You're so indoctrinated that you can't accept it God's way. 13 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: As you have learned, the church accepted the six day creation pretty much unilaterally until the 18th century. You already learned that's not true. St. Augustine, for example, showed long before that, that the "days" of creation could not be literal ones. And no one challenged him on that. He remains a respected theologian in all three major branches of Christianity. C'mon. 13 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: Then heresies began to creep into the doctrine of some churches. YE creationism is an error, not a heresy. Perhaps you don't know what "heresy" means. What do you think it means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdJ Posted March 21 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 65 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,090 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 606 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted March 21 13 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: The text itself says that they were not literal days. What on earth? Where does it say that? And the last day? God left creation alone for thousands of years because He was resting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted March 21 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,051 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, RdJ said: What on earth? Where does it say that? By definition, you can't have mornings without a sun to have them. But sun didn't show up the first few days. This is why the account has long been considered to be figurative by Christians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted March 21 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,504 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21 On 9/10/2023 at 4:08 PM, SavedOnebyGrace said: Actually, this is not a good view of creation since the Creation of the Universe, scientifically speaking, has occurred over many eons of time. Not every object in the Cosmos has the same age. So is Genesis local creation only? That's what led me to Gap Creationism. The way great time in the 'cosmos' is determined by science is faith based. One way to dispel any notion of a pre existing universe (before the world was created) is to read how the entire heavens (cosmos) will vanish in one day. The basic question becomes who we believe and lean on for the truth. Science or God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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