Daniel Marsh Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted December 2, 2023 What is your understanding of Hebrews 12:9? Hebrews 12:9 Darby Translation 9 Moreover we have had the fathers of our flesh as chasteners, and we reverenced [them]; shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne2 Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.49 Reputation: 621 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted December 2, 2023 Maybe this? He talks about maybe coming with a Rod....rod of correction? 1 cor 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. 17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church. 18 Now some are puffed up, as though I would not come to you. 19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power. 20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power. 21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NConly Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,331 Content Per Day: 2.81 Reputation: 612 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Daniel Marsh said: What is your understanding of Hebrews 12:9? Hebrews 12:9 Darby Translation 9 Moreover we have had the fathers of our flesh as chasteners, and we reverenced [them]; shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live? First part of verse is referring to the old law or old way before Christ came. Second is reminding how they followed the the elders. Last he is expressing just how important This new doctrine is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AFlameOfFire Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Numbers 16:22 & Numbers 27:16 address him as the God of the spirts of all flesh, we each have a spirit, and His Spirit beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God. So here it says Father of spirits Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? God of the spirits of all flesh Numbers 16:22 And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation? As well as here Numbers 27:16 Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,468 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,379 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 2, 2023 Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? Hebrews 12:9 ~ Spirits: (G. pneuma) ⓑ good, or at least not expressly evil spirits or spirit-beings[1] Numbers 27:16 ~ Spirits: (H. rûaḥ) רוּחַ 378× breath, wind; by extension: spirit, mind, heart, as the immaterial part of a person that can respond to God, the seat of life; spirit being, especially the Spirit of God[2] The writer appeals to the practice and result of discipline exercised in the human family. He and his readers have had experience of discipline; they have had fathers who were paideutai, “correctors,” “discipliners.” Fathers are seen in their capacity as chastisers, trainers of their children by punishing them when they go wrong.[3] The long way of agreeing with Anne2. [1] Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). In A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 833). University of Chicago Press. [2] Mounce, W. D. (2006). In Mounce’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old & New Testament Words (p. 1039). Zondervan. [3] Morris, L. (1981). Hebrews. In F. E. Gaebelein (Ed.), The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: Hebrews through Revelation (Vol. 12, p. 137). Zondervan Publishing House. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted December 4, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,398 Content Per Day: 12.16 Reputation: 3,269 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted December 4, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 9:34 PM, NConly said: First part of verse is referring to the old law or old way before Christ came. Second is reminding how they followed the the elders. Last he is expressing just how important This new doctrine is. @NConly Shortly afterwards in the chapter there are some tremendous verses to strengthen true believers: "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NConly Posted December 4, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,331 Content Per Day: 2.81 Reputation: 612 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, farouk said: @NConly Shortly afterwards in the chapter there are some tremendous verses to strengthen true believers: "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel." v 23 must be talking about Jesus same as last part of 12:9 shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live? according to Matt 28:18 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted December 5, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,398 Content Per Day: 12.16 Reputation: 3,269 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted December 5, 2023 12 minutes ago, NConly said: v 23 must be talking about Jesus same as last part of 12:9 shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live? according to Matt 28:18 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. ? @NConly Part of the idea may be that the church as properly defined is a spiritual entity. Like earthly families provide opportunity for comparison, but the actual basis of the church is spiritual. (If this makes any sense?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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