Remember the sabath day

[Guest shiloh357]

since when is a commandment of God, given by Jesus Himself, on Mount Sinai heresy?

It is your mishandling of the Scriptures that is at issue, not the commandment from God.

It your refusal to answer the simplest of questions that is at issue.

Fourthly, when did the One of the laws of God given to remind the Israelites of what sin was, including the transgression of the blessed holy Sabbath day become demonic?

What is demonic is your back door attempt to link the Sabbath to Salvation.

The difference is, that I see where you are going with this. "Works" is just a code word for the "Sabbath." You have been taking the long way around and keep harping about works, when the "work(s) you actually have in mind is the Sabbath, and I am just cutting to chase.

It is clear from your posts that you feel that those who don't keep that Sabbath are somehow deficient in their Christian walk, and from what I can see, not keeping the Sabbath is morally equivalent to murder, lying, adultery, sexual immorlity, and so forth. Those who are not keeping the Sabbath are living a contradiction. You plainly stated earlier in the thread that you couold not understand how anyone can claim to love Jesus and not love His commandments. But the only "commandments" you truly have in mind was the Sabbath. Therefore you see being a Christian and not keeping the Sabbath as contradictory. Ergo, if someone is truly saved, they will be Sabbath observant.

I have asked you multiple times if you believe that Sabbath observance is necessary for salvation, and your refusal to answer shows me that you don't have the guts to just admit that you it is.

Read Kevin's post and see how two Christians are to discuss their different understandings on the Scriptures. No condemnation, no hard feelings, just common courtesy.

Commond courtesy would have been to at least answer the question. Kevin is content to dance around the Mulberry bush with you. I am a "get to the point" person. I ask questions because I want to get to the bottom of things. Something you are desparately trying to avoid.

[JesusisGod2]

Hi Dennis,

I will write my response in several post so as not to make it look like a book and hard to read and follow. (At least for me anywaylong post are hard for me to follow)

Kevin,

I appreciate your articulate and sincere reply. You demonstrate the spirit of Christ in your replies. I will respond to each question in a separate reply so we can look at each in detail.

Your ask:

'Question 1 ..........in 1 John 3:3 ......My question on this verse is how does one make purify himself by works or by faith in Him?'

Answer #1:

Through a living faith that works, obeys the words of Christ, 'go and sin no more'. Through the washing of the word of God, all of it, obedience to it. The Holy Spirit dwells in the heart to bring our whole being into subjection to the word, including the moral law of God. You see the problem with the 'carnal heart' is that it is not 'subject to the law of God'. This is why God gives the 'New Heart', the Holy Spirit who loves the 'Law of God', for as Paul says the 'Law is holy, just and good. Thus it is part of holiness, and good works.

I do agree that faith without works is dead, however, I think we have a different view on what exactly works are.

No where does it say that the law makes us holy, nor does it equate the law to good works, as a matter of fact it actually says quite the opposite, that I agree that the law is holy, but unfortunately we in the flesh are not.

But lets look at the context that Paul addresses this particular verse of scripture of the law being holy and the context he is using this in.

First we see that in Romans 7 where we get this verse refering to the law being Holy., Paul is speaking of the new covenant, A covenant made in the blood of Christ. Lets start with verses 4-5

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Here Paul is saying that we are dead to the law by the body of Christ. The never could and never will make one righteous, unless of course they obey the whole law which to date no one ever has save Jesus Christ and never will. We are not alive to the law but to God.

The law that God puts in our hearts is love, I will not expound on this as we have already gone through this in a prior post. But we do see that it is love that fulfills the law. But I will site the verses:

Romans 13:8-10

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So it is love that fulfills Gods law, this is not an easy thing to do, just look at 1 cor 13.

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Notice here Paul says "for when we were in the flesh, the motions of sin which were by the law"

What he is saying here is that sin is revealed through the written law and it brings forth fruit unto death. Without the written law sin was not imputed.. We no longer live in the flesh, but we live in the newness of the spirit which is what Paul says in verse 6

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

I think it is interesting that Paul says being held by the law we were dead, How so? being dead is being seperated from God.

Look at Adam in the garden, he was told not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for in that day he did he would surely die. Well he ate and he died, he was seperated from God, from God, Whom he had fellowship face to face

Now through Christ, this fellowship has been restored as we walk in newness of spirit, a spirit that was dead but has been born again and now lives in Him, not in the oldness of the letter. And Gods law has been written in our hearts and has given us the power to love, therefore fulfilling the law for God is love.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

Notice that until the law was given sin was dead, We now live in the newness of the spirit, not the letter of the law. Our works of righteousness are not based upon the letter of the law, for if righteousness were based on the law, would Christ have to had died?

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Notice Paul says he was alive without the law, but when the commandment came, sin became alive and he died, not the law caused his death (seperation from God), but sin taking its opportunity through the commandment did.

The law can never justify a man unless he keep the whole law, if you break one of these commandments, you have broken them all.

You speak of a carnal heart and what is a carnal heart but a heart that is self seeking and worldly.

A heart of love is a heart that seeks after the welfare of others thus fufilling the laws spiritually as well as morally. These are the works that the scriptures speak of.

I will continue my respose in another post. God bless.

In Jesus

kevin

[JesusisGod2]

Hi Dennis,

1 Pet 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently: (truth is the word of God, 'thy word is truth)

1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

This is exactly what I was speaking of, great set of verses you have chosen here. We have purified our souls through obeying the truth, what truth? Belief in

The truth that Christ through His baptism has taken the sins of the world upon Himself.

The truth that He took our judgment for our sins on the cross.

The truth that He has washed all our sins away, past present and future with His blood.

The truth that He defeated death by being resurrected from the dead.

The truth that He is God, and has given us His Holy Spirit.

And so in obedience to this truth which is faith in the above, this is counted unto us as righteousness. This is the work of God, to believe in Him Whom He sent.

John 6:27-29

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Christ is our righteousness, our justification, our purification, our sanctification. It is He that works the works of righteousness in us through faith.

you mentioned in parenthesis that Thy Word is truth and I have no disagreement but would like to expound further and say that Jesus is the Word John 1:1 and He is the Truth

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So what I see in 1 Pet is Peter saying that we purify our souls as we obey Christ through the Spirit unto unfeigned or a more modern english word ..genuine love for the brethren with a pure heart. And of course the only way we can do this is by being born again which is really what this whole chapter of scripture is about.

1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (here God contrasts purity with sin. The believer purifies himself from sin, or trangression of the Law. Here God tells us what is sin and that we should purify ourselves from sin just as Jesus was pure from sin.)

To keep in context with the above chapter you must look at verse 4-6

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Remember it is the law that exposes sin, but we are not under law but under grace., therefore there is no longer any law to transgress for those who are in Christ.

Does this give us a license for loose living? In no way But I will not expound except to say read Romans 6 so as not to get this train going in too many directions.

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Christ was manifested in us to take away our sin, for we are in Him and in Him there is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

We sin not because He has already taken our sins upon Himself as well as our judgment and we are in Him, and in Him there is no sin.

Now those who seek justification by observances of laws and ordinances continue in sin, because the law reveals sin and sin takes its opportunity through the law.

Those who seek justification from the law have not seen Him nor do they know Him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

What is righteousness?

Romans 4:2-4

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Righteousness is not based upon works, but upon believing in God.

Romans 4:5

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4 is really a good study to get a grasp on this.

James, which many use to refute this thought because it says faith without works is dead, but it is not the works of the law that James speaks of, James is agreeing with the above as far as those seeking the law for justification for by the law shall no man be justified.

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

We have already touched on this but I like what James calls it..the royal law.

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James here is saying that if you keep the law, you are to keep the whole law, if you offend in one point of the law, you are guilty of transgressing the whole law. This is an impossibility, only Christ has been able to do so.

This is when James goes into the "faith without works is dead " but the works he speaks of are works of charity as he uses and example starting in verse 15

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

This fulfills the royal law:

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

now we see as we go further into James 2 just how much he is in agreement with Paul in that it is our faith in and believing God is counted as our righteousness.

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Abraham believed God, even though God had asked him to sacrifice his only son, he was willing to offer up Issac. Human sacrifice was actually a common pagan practice of the time if I am not mistaken, but never ordained by God.

So we see our works are not observances of laws and ordinances, but of love.

I do not think we disagree that we are to do good and not evil, but again I believe that we have a different take on what good works are.

Again if we count on the law as justification, then Christ died needlessly.

What is your idea of works of righteousness?

What laws are we to follow in order to be righteous?

What laws if we do not follow them, will be condemned by?

Well thats enough for this post, like I said I don't want to write a book (on one page anyway ) I hope to respond to the rest of your post tomorrow. I would like to close with this verse from Galatians which pretty much sums up this page.

Galatians 2:20-22

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

In Jesus

kevin

[Pilgrim7]

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for your repy. I don't beleive that we are just 'practicing niceties' as has been suggested. I know that you love my soul and re trying to help me and not dominate me and make me submit to your opinion or slander and condemn me.

From now on I will only share one verse at a time, because it is too hard to respond to many verses. But first we must deal with one thing. The word of God is whole and complete and that one verse does not contradict another. God does not contradict Himself. If we think that verses contradict one another, then it is because we have a misunderstanding of the verses.

You see I agree with and believe all the verses you quote, but I do not see any conflict between the commandments of God and faith.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, [is] therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. (Dead to the law means dead to transgressing it. Dead to the sins that the law identifies. Dead to the flesh that is not subject to the Law of God. A dead man does not transgress the law for he is dead and 'his life is with Christ in God)

You see that justification is not all of Salvation. Justification connects one with God by forgiving the sin that separated him from God. Sin separates from God now, just as it did in the Garden when they didn't believe God. Justification is not the end of Salvation, but the begining. Now the 'New Born' is cleansed from all past sin. He is now right with God because he has no commited sins that separate him from God. Now Jesus comes to personally dwell in the Heart as Lord and Master, to lkeep him sin and lead him into all righteousness and holiness. This is the Gospel. The believer is to follow Christ into the righteousness and Holiness described in the ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES. If he sins, he turned his back on Christ, who is supposed to be His LORD and MASTER and has willfuly become a transgressor. Christ has nothing to do with it. You see the old man has usurped control of the soul again, and now needs to repent and confess his sin and be justified or forgiven for it.

God bless,

Dennis

[JesusisGod2]

Hi Dennis,

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for your repy. I don't beleive that we are just 'practicing niceties' as has been suggested. I know that you love my soul and re trying to help me and not dominate me and make me submit to your opinion or slander and condemn me.

From now on I will only share one verse at a time, because it is too hard to respond to many verses.

I agree that if we go to too many verses we loose track of what the origional subject is about, which is should we observe the sabbath day which is of the law. And so I am attempting to show by scripture where the observance to the law has nothing to do with our salvation as a matter of fact it is and was actually the death of us. For the law is holy and we are not, (that is without Christ we are not.) Nor does the law make one holy, for the law reveals sin and sin takes opportunity through the law.

The word of God is whole and complete and that one verse does not contradict another. God does not contradict Himself. If we think that verses contradict one another, then it is because we have a misunderstanding of the verses.

Amen brother, I am with you on this. I know that no one is beyond misunderstanding verses in the scripture, that is why God loves for us to come together and go over His Word and His goal for us is to be of one accord, in one Spirit, His Spirit.

So the purpose of these boards are not to show who is wrong and who is right, but to learn of Him and to learn to rightly divide the Word of God.

You see I agree with and believe all the verses you quote, but I do not see any conflict between the commandments of God and faith.

Amen, nor do I see a conflict between the commandments of God and faith. However, practicing the law and living by faith do conflict with each other. Seeing as you have selected Galatians for your verses that we should discuss for now (Beautiful book by the way), lets look at what I am trying to say

11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."

Here it say that practicing the law and living by faith are contrary to each other, for living by faith says He can, living by the law says we can of which He says we can't.

It is the commandments that lead us to Christ, it is the commandments that show us that we are sinners, it is the commandments that show how far we are from being holy, how far we fall from righteosness

Gal 3:21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law.

22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

It is the commandments that act as our teacher and leads us to Christ and the righteousness that is based upon our faith in Him.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.

24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.

Here we see the law and faith are in harmony with each other. As you have mentioned, they do not conflict with each other but compliment each other, however they do serve different purposes.

The law has become our teacher, its purpose is to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith, No man can be justified by the law, only through faith in Him.

Faith is that which God gives us as a gift in order that we may become righteous by belief in Him.

Sorry for going on and on about this, but it is very important that one sees that we live a life of faith in Him and not by works of the law or obsevances of special days such as sabbath. For it is He that justifies us through belief in Him, whereas the law condemns us.

Now to the verses you have selected from Galatians.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

This pretty much says what I have been saying above, so next verse

2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, [is] therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

one really needs to read the whole chapter here to get the gist of what Paul is speaking of here. Paul here is speaking of Peter and other Jews, whom after having been made righteous by being justified by Christ through faith, were compelling the gentiles to live as Jews to be justified by righteousness that is by the law, because of fear of the circumcision. In other words to live as if they were made righteous by the works of the law.

Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

In verse 18 Paul is essentially saying if he again builds up the law as a means of righteousness, then he makes himself a transgressor of the very same. For by the law is no man made righteous, as I mentioned it is quite the opposite, it is by the law that we are found to be sinners.

2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. (Dead to the law means dead to transgressing it. Dead to the sins that the law identifies. Dead to the flesh that is not subject to the Law of God. A dead man does not transgress the law for he is dead and 'his life is with Christ in God)

I am not quite sure what you are saying here. For if you are dead then to the law but alive to God, then there is no transgression of the law. If this is what you are saying then we are in agreement here.

Praise The Lord!!!!!! This is what I have ben saying all along. Hallelujah!! Thank you Jesus!!!!!

The letter kills, The Spirit gives life!

So then do we base our righteousness upon the law?

Do we base our works upon the law?

Does this mean we must observe the sabbath day in order to be righteous?

You see that justification is not all of Salvation. Justification connects one with God by forgiving the sin that separated him from God. Sin separates from God now just as it did in the Garden when they didn't believe God. Justification is not the end of Salvation, but the begining,

I am not quite sure how to respond to this at this moment as I am not really sure what you are saying, so I will pray over this and address this later if you dont mind. Actually sin was in the world but it was not imputed as such until the law was given.

I see in the scriptures that salvation is complete, the work has been finished, the sacrifice has been accepted by God.

You are saying that there are other steps, am I correct in my understanding of what you are saying?

Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Now the 'New Born' is cleansed from all past sin

As well as present and future, it is a completed work.

He is now right with God because he has no commited sins that separate him from God. Now Jesus comes to personally dwell in the Heart as Lord and Master, to lkeep him sin and lead him into all righteousness and holiness. This is the Gospel. The believer is to follow Christ into the righteousness and Holiness described in the ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES. If he sins, he turned his back on Christ, who is supposed to be His LORD and MASTER and has willfuly become a transgressor. Christ has nothing to do with it. You see the old man has usurped control of the soul again, and now needs to repent and confess his sin and be justified or forgiven for it.

Again I am not sure how to respond to this. Most of it is really beautiful, it is the born again experience but them you speak of becoming a transgressor but once we are saved we are not under law but under grace. If under grace then there is no law and therefore no transgression.

15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

You cant live under both, you cannot have two masters, you have to serve one or the other.

Christ has set us free, we should walk in the lberty that He has given us.

Galatians 5:1

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

To get back on topic (which our discussion really hasnt been really off topic, for it has been concerning the law) this bondage includes observance of the sabbath day of rest. It is no longer something that we observe, but we having been born again have entered into this rest.

God bless,

Dennis

You too brother,

In Jesus

kevin

[Guest shiloh357]

You see that justification is not all of Salvation. Justification connects one with God by forgiving the sin that separated him from God. Sin separates from God now, just as it did in the Garden when they didn't believe God. Justification is not the end of Salvation, but the begining. Now the 'New Born' is cleansed from all past sin. He is now right with God because he has no commited sins that separate him from God. Now Jesus comes to personally dwell in the Heart as Lord and Master, to lkeep him sin and lead him into all righteousness and holiness. This is the Gospel. The believer is to follow Christ into the righteousness and Holiness described in the ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES. If he sins, he turned his back on Christ, who is supposed to be His LORD and MASTER and has willfuly become a transgressor. Christ has nothing to do with it. You see the old man has usurped control of the soul again, and now needs to repent and confess his sin and be justified or forgiven for it.

Justification is a one time event. It is not connected at all to our conduct. Justification from the Greek means "to be declared righteous." Contrary to what most people incorrectly believe, Justification does not mean "to be MADE righteous."

Justification is a legal term, and soley a legal term. Justification is imputed to us, according Romans 4. It is credited to our account.

The basis of Justification is what Christ did on the cross. It is being declared "righteous" independant of our worthiness or lack thereof. Since Jesus death, and subsequent resurrection, are the basis of Justification, the only way to undo our Justification is to undo what Christ did on the cross, which is impossible. Abraham was justified independant of his conduct. He was justified 25 years before being circumcised, and 430 years before the Torah was given. According to Paul, Abraham was justified (declared righteous) by faith only. Even if you could make a case that says that Abraham kept the Sabbath, it had nothing to do with Abraham's justification.

This statement is not true:

The believer is to follow Christ into the righteousness and Holiness described in the ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES. If he sins, he turned his back on Christ, who is supposed to be His LORD and MASTER and has willfuly become a transgressor. Christ has nothing to do with it. You see the old man has usurped control of the soul again, and now needs to repent and confess his sin and be justified or forgiven for it.

What you are saying is that when we sin, we have to go back and get "rejustified," that is simply false. You are connecting salvation to works, and that is totally unbiblical.

Again, what you are doing when you talk about "works" is using that as "code" word for "keeping the Sabbath." What you are ultimately saying is that if we turn our back on the Sabbath then our "old man" as usurped control. If we don't keep the Sabbath, we need to be rejustified, isn't it? I mean if we just get down to point, the nitty gritty and just tell the truth, you are of the convicition that lack of Sabbath observance is detrimental a person's salvation.

[Arthur Durnan]

I thot the subject was the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath given specifically to the nation of Israel in Exodus 19:3-5; Exodus 20:1,2; etc. Break the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath - and die! If one prefers to maintain the Jewish seventh-day, one must be prepared to pay the price for offending it. For starters, how about no fires allowed on the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath? Very interesting.

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[abbershay]

Remembering the Sabath is a blessing , why not do it?

Everyone here will be keeping the sabath in the the millenium why not keep it now ?

All it is , is an appointment with God . It doesnt mean you have to not do anything , it means you remember that it is a holy day and God wants to bless you ....

THe question is why wouldnt you want to be blessed? It doesnt mean that you have to give up Sunday you can celebrate that aswell, but it doesnt mean you forget about the sabath.

[Guest shiloh357]

Remembering the Sabath is a blessing , why not do it?

Everyone here will be keeping the sabath in the the millenium why not keep it now ?

All it is , is an appointment with God . It doesnt mean you have to not do anything , it means you remember that it is a holy day and God wants to bless you ....

THe question is why wouldnt you want to be blessed? It doesnt mean that you have to give up Sunday you can celebrate that aswell, but it doesnt mean you forget about the sabath.

That is not the issue, really. There is nothing wrong with keeping the Sabbath. Yes, there is a blessing upon it. But it is when people like Pilgrim7 tie it to salvation and make it a salvation issue, that the problems arise.

What I have seen in this thread regarding the Sabbath is disappointing. I have seen those who don't keep the Sabbath have their salvation and devotion to Christ questioned. I have seen Pilgrim7 basically imply that not keeping the Sabbath is a sin, and those who do not keep the Sabbath are in danger of losing their Justification. You can simply look back at his last post to see that. Frankly, if I were a moderator I would shut this thread down a long time ago.

Legalism has no place on Worthy Boards.

[Kabowd]

Remembering the Sabath is a blessing , why not do it?

Everyone here will be keeping the sabath in the the millenium why not keep it now ?

All it is , is an appointment with God . It doesnt mean you have to not do anything , it means you remember that it is a holy day and God wants to bless you ....

THe question is why wouldnt you want to be blessed? It doesnt mean that you have to give up Sunday you can celebrate that aswell, but it doesnt mean you forget about the sabath.

That is not the issue, really. There is nothing wrong with keeping the Sabbath. Yes, there is a blessing upon it. But it is when people like Pilgrim7 tie it to salvation and make it a salvation issue, that the problems arise.

What I have seen in this thread regarding the Sabbath is disappointing. I have seen those who don't keep the Sabbath have their salvation and devotion to Christ questioned. I have seen Pilgrim7 basically imply that not keeping the Sabbath is a sin, and those who do not keep the Sabbath are in danger of losing their Justification. You can simply look back at his last post to see that. Frankly, if I were a moderator I would shut this thread down a long time ago.

Legalism has no place on Worthy Boards.

You should go check out what Butero is saying in the tattoo topic. Legalism apparently does have a place here....a very active place it seems. He's saying over there that if you get a tattoo your salvation is at stake. Geeze, what the heck? What ever happened to grace?