apothanein kerdos Posted June 16, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 16, 2006 You are right of course, homosexuality is a sin, it is very obvious that God dissapproves. If it had only been mentioned once, but no many times he made it clear. And yes, I guess they are making the choice to be homosexuals, because no it is not a natural conditon. Babies are not born with those ideas inside of them. But they are a hated people, I am guessing there is far more discrimantion against them that for the samaritans. I never heard of Samaritan bashing, but Gays are beaten all the time just for leaving their house. The point I am trying to make about the choice though, is that they are just looking for another way to answer their problem. If a blind man takes a seeing eye dog, he is solving his problem. He did not want to be blind, and what ever caused it to be so, he did not ask for either. I am saying they are hurt. They did not ask to be tempted by some other man, or beaten by their fathers, or rejected by thier mothers, or repulsed by a female relationship with a horrible woman, or raped as children, or the many many other things that are causeing them to be unable to be happy in a natural relationship. It doesn't have to be a single horrible event, maybe they were rejected a little at a time by other kids, or hated in school, or not preferred over a sibling. I am saying there was damage caused to them or the natural things would be working naturally just like God intended them to. But they are not able to feel the things they should for the opposite sex, so instead of looking for a healing from God, they look somewhere else for love. It is really a sad thing. Just like the blind man will never know the color blue, and he can make due with the seeing eye dog, they are making due the best they can. It's like the story of porn, if they didn't make it noone would look, and if people didn't want to look noone would make it. Who is more guilty. The gays or the society which created them. Of course they have to be taught what they are doing is wrong in the eyes of God, But do we walk up to them and say terrible sinner, or do we say, God has something better for you and you can have it if you ask him. I agree with your position but also disagree with it. Not all homosexuality is caused by some event in life; some men just end up prefering other men and likewise with women. A friend of mine who I lost contact with struggled with homosexuality. He played football, had a very loving family, and never had any traumatic experiences in life. He simply prefered guys. He eventually attributed it to an increased sex drive, that he just wasn't satisfied with women (to my knowledge he overcame this and has abandoned homosexual notions). The thing is, even if something traumatic occurs, it is not societies fault if a person ends up gay. That is a choice. Society does not create homosexuality, homosexuals create homosexuals. Yes, we need to be more loving, we should not bash them, but at the same time we need to acknowledge that they are the ones that chose this path. THey were not forced into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Durnan Posted June 16, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,782 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/14/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 16, 2006 Homosexuals who flaunt their choice of homosexuality in the faces of the citizenry need to be "cut off" at the pass. Why would any responsible city council - especially in the Golden City of BIBLICAL Jerusalem - allow a sometimes riotous romp on behalf of that which promotes bacterial flora of the lower gut, the unsanitary, unhygienic, abominable, abnormality of homosexuality?! Councilors should bring themselves uptodate on medical facts re anal sex & its dangerous, medically-irresponsible practice. Start with Dr. Jeremy Agnew's "the Journal of Homosexuality." They owe it to their constituents to be fully informed on matters of life & death. http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyzisme Posted June 16, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/10/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 16, 2006 I heard you say that he your freind) had some kind of increased sex drive that made him unable to be satisfied with women. I am not completely against the idea that some people make the choice to be gay just to be immoral. Some people just want to fly in face of convention, some people want to serve the devil, some people are just perverted and want to take and get every kind of pleasure they can find. The case of your freind however, ( a man who wanted to squash the feelings) doesn't seem like he was doing in because of those reasons. Seems to me that he was trying to meet a need inside him he could not find a natual way to meet. ( he was unsatisfied with women) These gays that are saying that they are born that way, that they had no choice, the gays who want to be in a marriage or single relationship, they seem to be to be trying to find the natural things, an unnatural way. Have you ever seen a gay man kiss another? I admit only on TV have I seen this, but I see that they are trying to connect you know, looking for something real. I know this sounds a little weird. But I think the most of them are just trying to find love where they can, because of which of course, they are rejecting Gods chosen plan for them to be male and female relationships, and they are rejecting his help to let them heal in the places that cannot find satisfaction in the natural. Doing things our own way of our own will( helping ourselves), rather than God's will is a sin that gets all of from time to time. Again I apologize for seeming so harsh. I kind of understand why they want to march. They really just want to say, we have a right to live and breath, and thrive just like you do. They are under terrible circumstance where they have to be afraid for themselves and they just want to say to the world stop pushing us around and makeing us afraid. I try not to sin, but I sure hope that my sins are never greeted with such a public and fearful pressure, I certainly prefer the forgiveness of Jesus. Again I apologize for my harshness, and bluntness, I know most of the Christian folks on this web sight know that forgiveness, patience, mercy, and loving your neighbor as yourself is what we all should be doing, but on this topic of homosexuality, conversations go quickly into burning out the heathen and I wish we would learn from the mistakes of the past, and stop taking God's word to the alter of hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyzisme Posted June 16, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/10/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 16, 2006 i do still think Society is creating (perhaps not every homosexual) but this large influx that is openly happening in front of us. The whole world is covered with sex in advertising, and TV, and everywhere you look there is open porn, just look at the internet. We are accepting them as "married" couples. Yes I am against that. Countires of the world are promoting homosexuality for population control, there is box to check if you are gay on your navy application. The world is starting to make married, single or gay sound like a multiple choice question, just another one of the possible choices, not to mention alcohol and drug use being the in thing to do, which lowers the ability to make good choices. Not enough people supporting their churches, not enough parents taking the spiritual education of their children seriously, not enough people who care to get involved and help them find the truth and the healing they need. I'm sorry, I do think our generation will be judged poorly over this matter in the final judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted June 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted June 19, 2006 "Abortion" by name isn't mentioned in the Bible either. Does that make it not a sin then, too? For that matter, "racism" isn't specifically condemened either. Environmentalism? Can't find any "Thou shalt save the environment" passages. So, can I justify these as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyzisme Posted June 20, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/10/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 20, 2006 I was not insinuating that Being homosexual was not a sin. I indeed said it was a sin and clearly a sin because it is mentioned many times and many different ways in the bible that it is. And abortion is mentioned in the bible, it says thou shalt not kill. I also never said that It was okay to be gay because people were just trying to be happy. Wow, I can't beleive I am even responding to that guy, seems like his answer is just mean and somewhat foolish. What I am trying to do is help (those who are capable of understanding)see that the christian stand on homosexuality is not a lisence to hate them, and it is often used as one. In fact and for that matter, prostitutes, drug addicts, homeless, whoever, Christianity is not a lisence to hate anyone. I am saying that the homosexual movement, prostitues, drug addicts, are product of our heartless and uncaring society and the sort of people who might say, "yeah I 'm gay.. no I'm just happy" Jesus went and had supper with the harlots and tax collectors. He loved them even though they were doing terrible things. Most prostitues are selling their bodies, to earn a living or because they are being forced to by someone, theives steal because they are taught by our society that money is the way to be happy, it solves everything. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can tell that it is our society that is causeing this. If we were a entire world of God loving Christians, there would be no stealing, prostituting, or drugs. It is the lack of christian caring and love among the unsaved, and among many of the claimed to be saved, that are a responsible for what is happening. How can we love in the name of Christ if we have no compassion for the plights of our brothers and sisters. There is no love without compassion. "I am not sent to the saved, but to the sinner." "Love thy neighbor as thyself" these are not accidently placed in the bible either. I am not going to bother to post on this board anymore. I thought I was finding a community of Christians, not conflicts. This is a simple premise our call to love and help people should be one of the strongest we have. To veiw the sinner from the point of veiw that they are terrible not worth our love, needing to be wiped out, not worth our understanding of their situation, is just ridculous. I was a sinner once, so were every single one of you because "All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God." What was the reason that you sinned? I bet you had a reason. I bet you were trying to be happy, by getting out of trouble, by stealing that thing you wanted, by lusting after someone. Was it right of course not, I never said homosexuality is right. We did it because we were trying to find the thing that was missing in us, and that was a relationship with our creator. I'm done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dole Posted July 8, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 139 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/28/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 8, 2006 If we were a entire world of God loving Christians, there would be no stealing, prostituting, or drugs. As long as there are people alive on this world, there will be theft, prostitution and drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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