Ancient of Days Posted May 27, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 141 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/25/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2006 to answer your question, no. I am not. to make a point though, the king james version is without question the most widely accepted of all, the new world translation is the same exact version only changing the older vocabulary to modern english... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted May 27, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,798 Content Per Day: 6.20 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2006 Yet the cross is changed to torture stake. How is that changing from olde english to modern english? Instead the entire meaning is changed. The same with John 1:1, in which the verse is mistranslated by the NWT. The NWT is different from other modern translations such as the NASB as well as the KJV. It is not the most accurate bible, since it has been shown to be consistently mistranslated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted May 27, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,798 Content Per Day: 6.20 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2006 The only ones who accept the NWT are JWs. No Christian accepts that as a viable translation. Here are some of the mistranslations found in it. 1) Gen. 1:1-2 - "In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God's active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters." (New World Translation, Emphasis added) The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society denies that the Holy Spirit is alive, third person of the Trinity. Therefore, they have changed the correct translation of "...the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters," to say "...and God's active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters." 2) Zech. 12:10 - In this verse God is speaking and says "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son" (Zech. 12:10, NASB). The Jehovah's Witnesses change the word "me" to "the one" so that it says in their Bible, "...they will look upon the one whom they have pierced..." Since the Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus is God in flesh, then Zech. 12:10 would present obvious problems--so they changed it. 3) John 1:1 - They mistranslate the verse as "a god." Again it is because they deny who Jesus is and must change the Bible to make it agree with their theology. The Jehovah's Witness version is this: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god." 4) Col. 1:15-17 - The word "other" is inserted 4 times. It is not in the original Greek, nor is it implied. This is a section where Jesus is described as being the creator of all things. Since the Jehovah's Witness organization believes that Jesus is created, they have inserted the word "other" to show that Jesus was before all "other" things, implying that He is created. There are two Greek words for "other": heteros, and allos. The first means another of a different kind, and the second means another of the same kind. Neither is used at all in this section of scripture. The Jehovah's Witness have changed the Bible to make it fit their aberrant theology. 5) Heb. 1:6 - In this verse they translate the Greek word for worship, proskuneo, as "obeisance." Obeisance is a word that means to honor, show respect, even bow down before someone. Since Jesus, to them, is created, then he cannot be worshiped. They have also done this in other verses concerning Jesus, i.e., Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9. 6) Heb. 1:8 - This is a verse where God the Father is calling Jesus God: "But about the Son he says, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient of Days Posted May 27, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 141 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/25/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2006 first.... Jesus was not put to death on a cross but a torture stake. this is accurate for many reasons, I will choose the translation sinse that is the subject in question. the greek word for staros is torture stake. staros was researched and proven to be accurately so. Jesus nor anyone for that matter could be hung up on a cross, science of the human body proves that as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient of Days Posted May 27, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 141 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/25/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2006 you simply need more insight on truth.... here... look more into translation rather than looking at what is translated. it really doesnt matter what words are used as long as they are accurate. to determine this knowledge of all translations considered is vital. what is original, its true interpretation, the language and full understanding of it are required otherwise any translation would be false due to the fact that it uses a word or words that that can either contradict as much as it can possibly agree with as is the case here... so just grasp a little more info on the origin of the languages of the writers and meaning not based on a version of the bible but the original scripture...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted May 27, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,798 Content Per Day: 6.20 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2006 Yet the cross was an instrument of most dreadful and agonizing torture. This mode of punishment was known to the Persians (Ezr_6:11; Est_7:10); and the Carthaginians. However, it was most common among the Romans for slaves and criminals, and was introduced among the Jews by the Romans. It was not abolished until the time of Constantine who did so out of regard for Christianity. A Roman cross consisting of a straight piece of wood erected in the earth, often with a transverse beam fastened across its top and another piece nearer the bottom on which the crucified person's feet were nailed, as was the cross on which the Lord Jesus suffered. This is known outside biblical sources too. The word staros refers to the cross Jesus died on, the cross as Christians know it. There is extrabiblical sources that prove cross is the correct translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient of Days Posted May 27, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 141 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/25/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2006 Jesus died on a staros, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Times Posted May 27, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 157 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/23/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/13/1946 Share Posted May 27, 2006 What does the "New World Translation" have to say about Jesus' virgin birth, death and ressurection from the dead? And where does the "NWT" say Jesus is now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient of Days Posted May 27, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 141 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/25/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2006 (edited) Jesus was born of the virgin mary and joseph, he died between two unrighteous men, he was resurrected in 3 days, spoke to his desciples given them a commission that is still being carried out today... make desciples of all the nations baptising them in the faith... he today is presently in his second presence reigning as king in heaven awaiting his final coming at armageddon.......... Edited May 27, 2006 by Ancient of Days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Times Posted May 27, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 157 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/23/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/13/1946 Share Posted May 27, 2006 Jesus was born of the virgin mary and joseph, he died between two unrighteous men, he was resurrected in 3 days, spoke to his desciples given them a commission that is still being carried out today... make desciples of all the nations baptising them in the faith... he today is presently in his second presence reigning as king in heaven awaiting his final coming at armageddon.......... Forgive my ignorance but is this what the "New World Translation" says, or is this what you say, or both??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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