Floatingaxe Posted August 1, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted August 1, 2006 The "sheep" are those of His fold! The "goats" are not of the fold! Very simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted August 1, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Yeah, to me, if they're not true believers, they're not really Christians... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passiondaze Posted August 1, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/05/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/13/1962 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Keep looking up is all I have to say and pray....pray for the lost, may this be the hour they find Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgredline Posted August 2, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 30 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2006 There are many indications that the Rapture may be near. Consider the following as straws in the wind: 1. The formation of the State of Israel in 1948 (Luke 21:29). The fig tree (Israel) is shooting forth, that is, putting forth its leaves (Luke 21:29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted August 2, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Yay, pre-trib! Me, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted August 2, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Why do you think the tribulation's non-biblical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted August 2, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Ok, Shlomo, it's Bible study time.....Dan 9:27, Dan 4, Eze 38 & 39, Jer 30:6,7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted August 2, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Yay, pre-trib! Me, too! Me three! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
followerofjesus Posted August 2, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 31 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,013 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/08/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2006 The teaching in scripture about the catching away of the church, or the rapture, is not fiction at all. Not going to debate it, but it is definitely scriptural. Not everyone agrees in their private interpretation, but in the end, does it really matter? We will see Christ and we will not have to undergo judgment! Amen! Put your faith in Jesus Christ and trust His Church, not the theories of men. And yes the Rapture is a thoery of men. Anyone can take a passage out of scripture and develop it into a thoery. Not only one theory, now there are several Rapture theories. Which one is the truth????? Rather than being anxious about the signs of the times, put all faith in God. Mathew 24:36 makes it very clear: But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightofJesus Posted August 3, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 362 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/04/1955 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Ok, Shlomo, it's Bible study time.....Dan 9:27, Dan 4, Eze 38 & 39, Jer 30:6,7 cool - I checked every scripture in several different translations. I did not find the word "tribulation" in any of them. After studying them, two ways I can think of to describe these times using Biblical words might be "Daniel's 70th week" or "The Time of Jacob's Trouble." The former does imply a specific duration, the latter does not. But certainly not "the Tribulation." Still don't understand that... Now - Dan 9:27 was the most interesting, starting back in 9:20 at Gabriel's prophecy of the 70 weeks of years (490 years total?). It seems that the Messiah was to be "cut off" after 69 weeks of years (483?), but not for Himself (cool). That sounds like His crucifiction. Then after He is cut off it seems that the "people of the Prince who is to come" will destroy the temple and the sanctuary (could be the Roman destruction of Jerusalem around 70 AD?) and then wars and desolations and other things come. Sounds like the intermission. I don't see the 70th week there... Then in 9:27 that last week of years seems to start after the intermission with the signing of a covenant or treaty with someone. But in the "middle" of that last week of years, that someone does something bad (many translations don't agree with what it is but they mostly use the word desolation and abomination). Is that what Jesus refers to in Matthew 24:15 as the "When you see the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by the Prophet Daniel standing in the Holy Place"?? If so, then wouldn't the "tribulation" really be only the last half of Daniel's 70th week? Not all seven years? Right? In Mat 24:21 Jesus follows with "For *then* there will be such great tribulation as the world has never seen and never shall see again..." Since the abomination in Dan 9:27 occurs in the "middle" of the last week, and the "great tribulation" Jesus ties to that occurs *after* the abomination, doesn't that mean that the time of tribulation is only half of the last week of years - only 3-1/2? So why are people calling this seven year period the "Tribulation" ? I still do not see that as Biblically sound. Shlomo PLEEEESE Read Matthew 24 all of it and Take note of verses 29 and 32 33 and 34!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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