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Jesus Is Watching! Thou Shalt Not Stalk Baby Sisters. Lying About God's Kids Is Not The Mark Of A Man, Godly Or Otherwise. The Only Homosexual Talk On This Thread Is From Is You And Artsylady. Shame, Shame On You. You Both Know Better! Or Do You? Have You Seen The Lord Jesus Christ? John 3:16 Do You Know Who The Accuser Of The Brethren Is? Revelation 12:10 Do You Love The Sinner? Romans 5:8 Do You Love To Hate? Proverbs 8:36 God Will Forgive, Just Believe John 3:16 Question? With Your False Witnesses Who Ever Could Be Your Master? Matthew 15:18-19 Are You A Member of A Cult Of Hatred Such As The Westboro Baptist Church? If So, Just Fess Up And Begone Wolf. Tick! Tick! Eternity Is Just Ahead. Repent And See Jesus. Matthew 9:13 Be Blessed Little Sister The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 Love, Your Brother Joe Matthew 7:1-6 1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. 6 Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. Ok, so what does all this mean? Matthew 7:1-6 7:1 Sometimes these words of our Lord are misconstrued by people to prohibit all forms of judgment. No matter what happens, they piously say,

Good theology will always lead to doxology...

Thank you..It is good to see there are other Christians with the mind of Christ here.. God bless you...

Hi folks... Does this section of scripture imply that a Christian can loose his salvation? 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Well, like I said earlier, if Leonard says possessed/oppressed is the same thing, I believe him. We have no Biblical instance of a Christian being possessed/oppressed/demoned. That's why I believe it can't happen. There's no room if we're indwelt by HS. If this person's a Christian, they aren't possessed/oppressed/demoned. Not everyone who goes to church is a Christian, though. Acts chapter 4:32-acts 5:6 32 Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. 33 And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. 34 Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, 35 and laid them at the apostles' feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need. 36 And Joses, who was also named Barnabas by the apostles (which is translated Son of Encouragement), a Levite of the country of Cyprus, 37 having land, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet. 5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession. 2 And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God." 5 Then Ananias, hearing these words, fell down and breathed his last. So great fear came upon all those who heard these things. 6 And the young men arose and wrapped him up, carried him out, and buried him. 7 Now it was about three hours later when his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter answered her, "Tell me whether you sold the land for so much?" She said, "Yes, for so much." 9 Then Peter said to her, "How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out." 10 Then immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. And the young men came in and found her dead, and carrying her out, buried her by her husband. 11 So great fear came upon all the church and upon all who heard these things. Hello Now I agree that a Christian can't be demon possessed. How do you explain the above account given in the book of Acts? According to the Scriptures they were all believers.

Satan and demons http://www.pro4machineworks.com/The_doctrine_of_demons.html Lots of heavy reading. http://www.pro4machineworks.com/The_doctrine_of_demons.html

Then the living shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. The word Rapture, which we use to describe this first phase of the Lord

Justin This is a good post and I agree with you. Thanks Jg

Luke 17:34-37 NKJV 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left." 37 And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together." The Lord

Then you question if God is a God of justice. Who's to say Hitler didn't repent in his final hour. God is a Gos of justice and grace amongst other things. Hitler killed himself committing a mortal sin that he couldn't repent for, not to mention that he killed millions of people most of whom were innocent. But I am not God, I can't say whether or not he is in heaven, hell, or purgatory, but I can say that if there was ever a person who deserved hell, he would be my number one pick, followed closely by Stalin. Hitler was clearly demon possessed. I will speak more on this in a little bit. Right now I need to take my kids to school. Blessings.

How did you come to the conclusions that this movement is taking place? Also websites that come off anti-christian are deleted, you can probably PM them if someone asks for them though This is a movement that I can honestly say is a cult. I have encountered several Holiness preachers who don't believe that Jesus is a separate entity from the Trinity, but that Jesus is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Where do they get this idea from? Acts 2:35. They take one verse and run with it. This is wholly separate from the WOF movement (which BTW I ascribe to and no, I don't need people trying to tell me I am a heretic, thank you very much LOL) and this I think is more dangerous than any other cult out there because they couch all their teachings within Scripture. This is Scripture twisting at it's finest. Anita Anita How do you feel about TD jakes?

My two cents worth 2:12 Having set forth the example of Christ in such brilliant luster, the apostle is now ready to press home the exhortation based on it. The Philippians had always obeyed Paul when he was present with them. Now much more in his absence, they should work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. Again we come to a passage of Scripture concerning which there has been much confusion. At the outset, we should be very clear that Paul is not teaching that salvation can be earned by works. Throughout his writings, he repeatedly emphasizes that salvation is not by works but by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. What then does the verse mean? 1. It may mean that we are to work out the salvation which God has placed within us. God has given us eternal life as a free gift. We are to live it out by lives of practical holiness. 2. Salvation here may mean the solution of their problem at Philippi. They had been plagued with squabbles and strife. The apostle has given them the remedy. Now they are to apply the remedy by having the mind of Christ. Thus they would work out their own salvation, or the solution of their difficulty. The salvation spoken of here is not that of the soul, but deliverance from the snares which would hinder the Christian from doing the will of God. In a similar vein, Vine describes it as the present entire experience of deliverance from evil. Salvation has many different meanings in the NT. Notice that in 1:19 it means deliverance from prison. In 1:28 it refers to the eventual salvation of our bodies from the very presence of sin. The meaning in any particular case must be determined in part, at least, by the context. I believe that in this passage salvation means the solution of the problem that was vexing the Philippians, that is, their contentions. 2:13 Now Paul reminds them that it is possible for them to work out their salvation because it is God who works in them both to will and to do for His good pleasure. This means that it is God who puts within us the wish or desire to do His will in the first place. Then He also works in us the power to carry out the desire. Here again we have the wonderful merging of the divine and human. In one sense, we are called on to work out our salvation. In another sense, it is only God who can enable us to do it. We must do our part, and God will do His. (However, this does not apply to the forgiveness of sins, or to the new birth. Redemption is wholly the work of God. We simply believe and enter in.) I hope this helps.

Great thread with much truth. WOF is an abomination to Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Lets start with Matthew 5:27 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. Jesus refers here to the bodybeing cast into hell,and the psalmist speaks of bonesbeing scattered at the mouth of hell [sheol](Ps. 141:7). Jacob talked about his gray hairsbeing brought down to hell (Gen. 42:38; cf. 44:29, 31). However, Jesus referred to hell as a place where the soul goes after one dies and is in conscious torment (Luke 16:2223). Is hell just the grave, as the Jehovahs Witnesses and some other cults claim ? The Hebrew word translated hell(sheol) is also translated graveor pit.It simply means unseen world,and can refer either to the grave, where the body is unseen after burial, or to the spirit world, which is invisible to mortal eyes. Further, in the Old Testament, sheol often means grave, as indicated by the fact that it is a place where bones(Ps. 141:7), gray hairs(Gen. 42:38), and even weapons (Ps. 76:35) go at death. Even the resurrection of Jesusbody is said to be from hell(i.e., the grave), where it did not see corruption (Acts 2:3031). There may be allusions to hellas a spirit world in the Old Testament (cf. Prov. 9:18; Isa. 14:9); hell(Greek: hades) is clearly described as a place of departed spirits (souls) in the New Testament. Fallen angels are there and they have no bodies (2 Peter 2:4). Unrepentant human beings are in conscious torment there after they die and their bodies are buried (Luke 16:2223). In the end those in hell will be cast into the lake of fire with the devil where they will be tormented day and night forever(Rev. 20:10, 1415). Jesus spoke many times of hell as a place of conscious and eternal suffering (cf. Matt. 10:28; 18:9; Mark 9:43, 45, 47; Luke 12:5; 16:23). To read more click on the link. http://www.pro4machineworks.com/The_doctrine_of_hell.html

The Oneness Jesus This cult is one of the most dangerous cults that there is because it masquerades itself as an Angel of light. This cult denies the deity of Christ and believe in Modalism. To see a definition on modalism click here. Present day groups that hold to forms of this error are the United Pentecostal and United Apostolic Churches. They deny the Trinity, teach that the name of God is Jesus, and require baptism for salvation. T.D Jakes is of this. Oneness groups are decidedly Arminian in the doctrine of salvation. They deny predestination and maintain that it is completely up to the individual to decide whether or not he wants to be saved. They also teach that it is possible to lose one's salvation. Wesley would be turning in his grave. Modalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God. It is a denial of the Trinity which states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes, or forms. Thus, God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. At the incarnation, the mode was the Son. After Jesus' ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit. These modes are consecutive and never simultaneous. In other words, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit never all exist at the same time, only one after another. Modalism denies the distinctiveness of the three persons in the Trinity even though it retains the divinity of Christ. Present day groups that hold to forms of this error are the United Pentecostal and United Apostolic Churches. They deny the Trinity, teach that the name of God is Jesus, and require baptism for salvation. These modalist churches often accuse Trinitarians of teaching three gods. This is not what the Trinity is. The correct teaching of the Trinity is one God in three eternal coexistent persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.