RGR Posted August 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted August 21, 2006 WRONG... you check the thread to find out who post that... i just quoted that one... my reply to that comment is "Your judgement is poor and I hope you'll be forgiven." as a Christian i would never say such words to people here... If you are trying to work for your salvation, you are NOT a Christian. Hey.. why you are still at me in this post.. it is ronald who said your statement is ridiculous... why not comment on that... and about your comment just now... read my post... And you are a liar as I said nothing of the sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansasdad Posted August 21, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,227 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/19/1964 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Actually there is scripture to support "I have been saved, I am saved, and I will be saved". These are the verses and My interpretation of them. I know the majority here will disagree, and I am not going to argue. I will post the verses, you can read them and then read the responses and come to your own conclusions. I have found debating on this forum not to be fruitful. God Bless, K.D. . I Have Been Saved (past event) Rom. 8:24 - for in this hope we were saved (but, again, why "hope" if salvation is a certainty?) Eph. 2:5,8 - for by grace you have been saved through faith. 2 Tim. 1:9 - He saved us and called us through grace and not by virtue of our own works outside of His grace. Titus 3:5 - He saved us in virtue of His own mercy, and not by our deeds. . I Am Being Saved (present event) 1 Cor. 1:18 - for the word of the cross is folly to those perishing, but for to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. Salvation is not a one-time event. It is a process of perseverance through faith, hope and love. 2 Cor. 2:15 - for we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved. Salvation is a continual process. Phil. 2:12 - we are working out our salvation through fear and trembling. Salvation is an ongoing process. 1 Peter 1:9 - you obtain the salvation of your souls as the outcome of your faith. Working out our salvation in fear and trembling is a lifelong process. I Will Be Saved (future event) Matt. 10:22, 24:13; Mark 13:13 - again, Jesus taught that we must endure to the very end to be saved. Salvation is a past, present and future event (not a one-time event at an altar call). Mark 16:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Actually there is scripture to support "I have been saved, I am saved, and I will be saved". These are the verses and My interpretation of them. I know the majority here will disagree, and I am not going to argue. I will post the verses, you can read them and then read the responses and come to your own conclusions. I have found debating on this forum not to be fruitful. God Bless, K.D. . I Have Been Saved (past event) Rom. 8:24 - for in this hope we were saved (but, again, why "hope" if salvation is a certainty?) Eph. 2:5,8 - for by grace you have been saved through faith. 2 Tim. 1:9 - He saved us and called us through grace and not by virtue of our own works outside of His grace. Titus 3:5 - He saved us in virtue of His own mercy, and not by our deeds. . I Am Being Saved (present event) 1 Cor. 1:18 - for the word of the cross is folly to those perishing, but for to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. Salvation is not a one-time event. It is a process of perseverance through faith, hope and love. 2 Cor. 2:15 - for we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved. Salvation is a continual process. Phil. 2:12 - we are working out our salvation through fear and trembling. Salvation is an ongoing process. 1 Peter 1:9 - you obtain the salvation of your souls as the outcome of your faith. Working out our salvation in fear and trembling is a lifelong process. I Will Be Saved (future event) Matt. 10:22, 24:13; Mark 13:13 - again, Jesus taught that we must endure to the very end to be saved. Salvation is a past, present and future event (not a one-time event at an altar call). Mark 16:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGR Posted August 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Salvation is a process. to Shiloh on that one!!!! We, hopefully at least, are ever growing in the Lord. I totally committed my life to Him 5 years ago and I am nowhere near where I was 5 years ago, PTL!!! Was I saved 5 years ago? Of course!!!! But I have grown in Him by leaps and bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted August 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted August 21, 2006 You read that??? some of the members of the Church of God were once that bad...NOW... my question is... AFTER YOU WERE SANCTIFIED, CLEANSED, JUSTIFIED, you decided to TOTALLY STOP obeying God, what will happen??? I have a feeling we have a misunderstanding here. There is a difference between willfully chosing to disobey God - which is out-and-out rebellion, and willful actions which are results of weaknesses, insecurities, 'ignornace', etc. There's a difference in motive between the two, but we are still held accountable for our actions no matter what the motive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjrose Posted August 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,580 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/13/1960 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Salvation is a process. to Shiloh on that one!!!! We, hopefully at least, are ever growing in the Lord. I totally committed my life to Him 5 years ago and I am nowhere near where I was 5 years ago, PTL!!! Was I saved 5 years ago? Of course!!!! But I have grown in Him by leaps and bounds. AMEN to that. I have grown leaps for now just in the last few months, I hope for bounds soon though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansasdad Posted August 21, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,227 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/19/1964 Share Posted August 21, 2006 [ Yes, but you must understand that "saved" is used in different ways depending on context. "Saved" does not always refer to spiritual salvation, in Scripture. Sometimes it is used in the sense of preservation, sometimes it is used to denote salvation from physcial danger. Each of the verses you provide have to be examined in the context they appear in Scripture. It is not good enough to just pepper people with verses. Furthermore Salvation occurs in three stagges, Justification, Sanctification and Glorification. We are justified the moment we received Christ as savior, and we are both sanctified in the spirit and undergo the daily process of sanctification in form of deliverance from old habits, thoughts, etc. We are still awaiting the final fullness of our salvation, and that is our glorified bodies. There is a past, present and future tense to salvation, but not three separate experiences. It is three stages of the same salvation. Salvation is a process. The Holy Spirit in us, Paul says, is the earnest or downpayment of our inheritance. Justification...lets take a further look. Faith Justifies Initially, but Works Perfect and Complete Justification James 2:24 - the phrase "faith alone" (the Greek "pisteos monon") only occurs once in the Bible. "Man is justified by works and NOT faith alone." , No where in Scripture does it say that man is justified or saved by "faith alone." To the contrary, man is not justified by faith alone. A person is justified by faith and works acting together, which comes solely from God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGR Posted August 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted August 21, 2006 You read that??? some of the members of the Church of God were once that bad...NOW... my question is... AFTER YOU WERE SANCTIFIED, CLEANSED, JUSTIFIED, you decided to TOTALLY STOP obeying God, what will happen??? I have a feeling we have a misunderstanding here. There is a difference between willfully chosing to disobey God - which is out-and-out rebellion, and willful actions which are results of weaknesses, insecurities, 'ignornace', etc. There's a difference in motive between the two, but we are still held accountable for our actions no matter what the motive. :24: :24: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antz Posted August 21, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 71 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/13/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 21, 2006 Kansas, You post it well... I hope we meet at the end of the road Godbless! Antz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Justification...lets take a further look. Faith Justifies Initially, but Works Perfect and Complete Justification James 2:24 - the phrase "faith alone" (the Greek "pisteos monon") only occurs once in the Bible. "Man is justified by works and NOT faith alone." , No where in Scripture does it say that man is justified or saved by "faith alone." To the contrary, man is not justified by faith alone. A person is justified by faith and works acting together, which comes solely from God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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