pointer Posted September 21, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 636 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2006 go and study it for yourself There are such documents? Do tell me where I can inspect them. There are, it is claimed, 'bishops and priests' all over the world who can trace their valid lines back to the apostles themselves. Perhaps you, anyone at all, could provide details, along with facsimiles of personal documentation supported with continuous records of reliably witnessed signatures originating with those of apostles. Over a period of several decades, my requests for these evidences to Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox have met with no positive response. A 'back-dated' list is of no value, and neither is a mere suggestion to 'go and study it for yourself', which only raises the suspicion that there is nothing to study. It is a dreadful indictment of the human race that so many are obedient to charlatans, which is exactly what these 'bishops and priests' must be if this evidence cannot be inspected by anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointer Posted September 25, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 636 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2006 go and study it for yourself There are such documents? Do tell me where I can inspect them. There are, it is claimed, 'bishops and priests' all over the world who can trace their valid lines back to the apostles themselves. Perhaps you, anyone at all, could provide details, along with facsimiles of personal documentation supported with continuous records of reliably witnessed signatures originating with those of apostles. Over a period of several decades, my requests for these evidences to Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox have met with no positive response. A 'back-dated' list is of no value, and neither is a mere suggestion to 'go and study it for yourself', which only raises the suspicion that there is nothing to study. It is a dreadful indictment of the human race that so many are obedient to charlatans, which is exactly what these 'bishops and priests' must be if this evidence cannot be inspected by anyone. It would appear, from the silence, that it is admitted that the RCC is a total figment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted September 25, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2006 go and study it for yourself There are such documents? Do tell me where I can inspect them. There are, it is claimed, 'bishops and priests' all over the world who can trace their valid lines back to the apostles themselves. Perhaps you, anyone at all, could provide details, along with facsimiles of personal documentation supported with continuous records of reliably witnessed signatures originating with those of apostles. Over a period of several decades, my requests for these evidences to Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox have met with no positive response. A 'back-dated' list is of no value, and neither is a mere suggestion to 'go and study it for yourself', which only raises the suspicion that there is nothing to study. It is a dreadful indictment of the human race that so many are obedient to charlatans, which is exactly what these 'bishops and priests' must be if this evidence cannot be inspected by anyone. It would appear, from the silence, that it is admitted that the RCC is a total figment. That is a ridiculous statement, pointer. The unbroken chain of popes since Peter, who was apointed by Christ Himself: # St. Peter (32-67) # St. Linus (67-76) # St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88) # St. Clement I (88-97) # St. Evaristus (97-105) # St. Alexander I (105-115) # St. Sixtus I (115-125) -- also called Xystus I # St. Telesphorus (125-136) # St. Hyginus (136-140) # St. Pius I (140-155) # St. Anicetus (155-166) # St. Soter (166-175) # St. Eleutherius (175-189) # St. Victor I (189-199) # St. Zephyrinus (199-217) # St. Callistus I (217-22) # St. Urban I (222-30) # St. Pontain (230-35) # St. Anterus (235-36) # St. Fabian (236-50) # St. Cornelius (251-53) # St. Lucius I (253-54) # St. Stephen I (254-257) # St. Sixtus II (257-258) # St. Dionysius (260-268) # St. Felix I (269-274) # St. Eutychian (275-283) # St. Caius (283-296) -- also called Gaius # St. Marcellinus (296-304) # St. Marcellus I (308-309) # St. Eusebius (309 or 310) # St. Miltiades (311-14) # St. Sylvester I (314-35) # St. Marcus (336) # St. Julius I (337-52) # Liberius (352-66) # St. Damasus I (366-83) # St. Siricius (384-99) # St. Anastasius I (399-401) # St. Innocent I (401-17) # St. Zosimus (417-18) # St. Boniface I (418-22) # St. Celestine I (422-32) # St. Sixtus III (432-40) # St. Leo I (the Great) (440-61) # St. Hilarius (461-68) # St. Simplicius (468-83) # St. Felix III (II) (483-92) # St. Gelasius I (492-96) # Anastasius II (496-98) # St. Symmachus (498-514) # St. Hormisdas (514-23) # St. John I (523-26) # St. Felix IV (III) (526-30) # Boniface II (530-32) # John II (533-35) # St. Agapetus I (535-36) -- also called Agapitus I # St. Silverius (536-37) # Vigilius (537-55) # Pelagius I (556-61) # John III (561-74) # Benedict I (575-79) # Pelagius II (579-90) # St. Gregory I (the Great) (590-604) # Sabinian (604-606) # Boniface III (607) # St. Boniface IV (608-15) # St. Deusdedit (Adeodatus I) (615-18) # Boniface V (619-25) # Honorius I (625-38) # Severinus (640) # John IV (640-42) # Theodore I (642-49) # St. Martin I (649-55) # St. Eugene I (655-57) # St. Vitalian (657-72) # Adeodatus (II) (672-76) # Donus (676-78) # St. Agatho (678-81) # St. Leo II (682-83) # St. Benedict II (684-85) # John V (685-86) # Conon (686-87) # St. Sergius I (687-701) # John VI (701-05) # John VII (705-07) # Sisinnius (708) # Constantine (708-15) # St. Gregory II (715-31) # St. Gregory III (731-41) # St. Zachary (741-52) Stephen II (752) -- Omitted from many lists (including the Vatican's) because he died before being consecrated. # Stephen III (752-57) # St. Paul I (757-67) # Stephen IV (767-72) # Adrian I (772-95) # St. Leo III (795-816) # Stephen V (816-17) # St. Paschal I (817-24) # Eugene II (824-27) # Valentine (827) # Gregory IV (827-44) # Sergius II (844-47) # St. Leo IV (847-55) # Benedict III (855-58) # St. Nicholas I (the Great) (858-67) # Adrian II (867-72) # John VIII (872-82) # Marinus I (882-84) # St. Adrian III (884-85) # Stephen VI (885-91) # Formosus (891-96) # Boniface VI (896) # Stephen VII (896-97) # Romanus (897) # Theodore II (897) # John IX (898-900) # Benedict IV (900-03) # Leo V (903) # Sergius III (904-11) # Anastasius III (911-13) # Lando (913-14) # John X (914-28) # Leo VI (928) # Stephen VIII (929-31) # John XI (931-35) # Leo VII (936-39) # Stephen IX (939-42) # Marinus II (942-46) # Agapetus II (946-55) # John XII (955-63) # Leo VIII (963-64) # Benedict V (964) # John XIII (965-72) # Benedict VI (973-74) # Benedict VII (974-83) # John XIV (983-84) # John XV (985-96) # Gregory V (996-99) # Sylvester II (999-1003) # John XVII (1003) # John XVIII (1003-09) # Sergius IV (1009-12) # Benedict VIII (1012-24) # John XIX (1024-32) # Benedict IX (1032-45) # Sylvester III (1045) -- Considered by some to be an antipope # Benedict IX (1045) # Gregory VI (1045-46) # Clement II (1046-47) # Benedict IX (1047-48) # Damasus II (1048) # St. Leo IX (1049-54) # Victor II (1055-57) # Stephen X (1057-58) # Nicholas II (1058-61) # Alexander II (1061-73) # St. Gregory VII (1073-85) # Blessed Victor III (1086-87) # Blessed Urban II (1088-99) # Paschal II (1099-1118) # Gelasius II (1118-19) # Callistus II (1119-24) # Honorius II (1124-30) # Innocent II (1130-43) # Celestine II (1143-44) # Lucius II (1144-45) # Blessed Eugene III (1145-53) # Anastasius IV (1153-54) # Adrian IV (1154-59) # Alexander III (1159-81) # Lucius III (1181-85) # Urban III (1185-87) # Gregory VIII (1187) # Clement III (1187-91) # Celestine III (1191-98) # Innocent III (1198-1216) # Honorius III (1216-27) # Gregory IX (1227-41) # Celestine IV (1241) # Innocent IV (1243-54) # Alexander IV (1254-61) # Urban IV (1261-64) # Clement IV (1265-68) # Blessed Gregory X (1271-76) # Blessed Innocent V (1276) # Adrian V (1276) # John XXI (1276-77) # Nicholas III (1277-80) # Martin IV (1281-85) # Honorius IV (1285-87) # Nicholas IV (1288-92) # St. Celestine V (1294) # Boniface VIII (1294-1303) # Blessed Benedict XI (1303-04) # Clement V (1305-14) # John XXII (1316-34) # Benedict XII (1334-42) # Clement VI (1342-52) # Innocent VI (1352-62) # Blessed Urban V (1362-70) # Gregory XI (1370-78) # Urban VI (1378-89) # Boniface IX (1389-1404) # Innocent VII (1404-06) # Gregory XII (1406-15) # Martin V (1417-31) # Eugene IV (1431-47) # Nicholas V (1447-55) # Callistus III (1455-58) # Pius II (1458-64) # Paul II (1464-71) # Sixtus IV (1471-84) # Innocent VIII (1484-92) # Alexander VI (1492-1503) # Pius III (1503) # Julius II (1503-13) # Leo X (1513-21) # Adrian VI (1522-23) # Clement VII (1523-34) # Paul III (1534-49) # Julius III (1550-55) # Marcellus II (1555) # Paul IV (1555-59) # Pius IV (1559-65) # St. Pius V (1566-72) # Gregory XIII (1572-85) # Sixtus V (1585-90) # Urban VII (1590) # Gregory XIV (1590-91) # Innocent IX (1591) # Clement VIII (1592-1605) # Leo XI (1605) # Paul V (1605-21) # Gregory XV (1621-23) # Urban VIII (1623-44) # Innocent X (1644-55) # Alexander VII (1655-67) # Clement IX (1667-69) # Clement X (1670-76) # Blessed Innocent XI (1676-89) # Alexander VIII (1689-91) # Innocent XII (1691-1700) # Clement XI (1700-21) # Innocent XIII (1721-24) # Benedict XIII (1724-30) # Clement XII (1730-40) # Benedict XIV (1740-58) # Clement XIII (1758-69) # Clement XIV (1769-74) # Pius VI (1775-99) # Pius VII (1800-23) # Leo XII (1823-29) # Pius VIII (1829-30) # Gregory XVI (1831-46) # Blessed Pius IX (1846-78) # Leo XIII (1878-1903) # St. Pius X (1903-14) # Benedict XV (1914-22) # Pius XI (1922-39) # Pius XII (1939-58) # Blessed John XXIII (1958-63) # Paul VI (1963-78) # John Paul I (1978) # John Paul II (1978-2005) # Benedict XVI (2005-) "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." And they will not! Peace, Fiosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointer Posted September 25, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 636 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2006 go and study it for yourself There are such documents? Do tell me where I can inspect them. There are, it is claimed, 'bishops and priests' all over the world who can trace their valid lines back to the apostles themselves. Perhaps you, anyone at all, could provide details, along with facsimiles of personal documentation supported with continuous records of reliably witnessed signatures originating with those of apostles. Over a period of several decades, my requests for these evidences to Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox have met with no positive response. A 'back-dated' list is of no value, and neither is a mere suggestion to 'go and study it for yourself', which only raises the suspicion that there is nothing to study. It is a dreadful indictment of the human race that so many are obedient to charlatans, which is exactly what these 'bishops and priests' must be if this evidence cannot be inspected by anyone. It would appear, from the silence, that it is admitted that the RCC is a total figment. That is a ridiculous statement, pointer. The unbroken chain of popes since Peter, who was apointed by Christ Himself: # St. Peter (32-67) # St. Linus (67-76) # St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88) # St. Clement I (88-97) # St. Evaristus (97-105) # St. Alexander I (105-115) # St. Sixtus I (115-125) -- also called Xystus I # St. Telesphorus (125-136) # St. Hyginus (136-140) # St. Pius I (140-155) # St. Anicetus (155-166) # St. Soter (166-175) # St. Eleutherius (175-189) # St. Victor I (189-199) # St. Zephyrinus (199-217) # St. Callistus I (217-22) # St. Urban I (222-30) # St. Pontain (230-35) # St. Anterus (235-36) # St. Fabian (236-50) # St. Cornelius (251-53) # St. Lucius I (253-54) # St. Stephen I (254-257) # St. Sixtus II (257-258) # St. Dionysius (260-268) # St. Felix I (269-274) # St. Eutychian (275-283) # St. Caius (283-296) -- also called Gaius # St. Marcellinus (296-304) # St. Marcellus I (308-309) # St. Eusebius (309 or 310) # St. Miltiades (311-14) # St. Sylvester I (314-35) # St. Marcus (336) # St. Julius I (337-52) # Liberius (352-66) # St. Damasus I (366-83) # St. Siricius (384-99) # St. Anastasius I (399-401) # St. Innocent I (401-17) # St. Zosimus (417-18) # St. Boniface I (418-22) # St. Celestine I (422-32) # St. Sixtus III (432-40) # St. Leo I (the Great) (440-61) # St. Hilarius (461-68) # St. Simplicius (468-83) # St. Felix III (II) (483-92) # St. Gelasius I (492-96) # Anastasius II (496-98) # St. Symmachus (498-514) # St. Hormisdas (514-23) # St. John I (523-26) # St. Felix IV (III) (526-30) # Boniface II (530-32) # John II (533-35) # St. Agapetus I (535-36) -- also called Agapitus I # St. Silverius (536-37) # Vigilius (537-55) # Pelagius I (556-61) # John III (561-74) # Benedict I (575-79) # Pelagius II (579-90) # St. Gregory I (the Great) (590-604) # Sabinian (604-606) # Boniface III (607) # St. Boniface IV (608-15) # St. Deusdedit (Adeodatus I) (615-18) # Boniface V (619-25) # Honorius I (625-38) # Severinus (640) # John IV (640-42) # Theodore I (642-49) # St. Martin I (649-55) # St. Eugene I (655-57) # St. Vitalian (657-72) # Adeodatus (II) (672-76) # Donus (676-78) # St. Agatho (678-81) # St. Leo II (682-83) # St. Benedict II (684-85) # John V (685-86) # Conon (686-87) # St. Sergius I (687-701) # John VI (701-05) # John VII (705-07) # Sisinnius (708) # Constantine (708-15) # St. Gregory II (715-31) # St. Gregory III (731-41) # St. Zachary (741-52) Stephen II (752) -- Omitted from many lists (including the Vatican's) because he died before being consecrated. # Stephen III (752-57) # St. Paul I (757-67) # Stephen IV (767-72) # Adrian I (772-95) # St. Leo III (795-816) # Stephen V (816-17) # St. Paschal I (817-24) # Eugene II (824-27) # Valentine (827) # Gregory IV (827-44) # Sergius II (844-47) # St. Leo IV (847-55) # Benedict III (855-58) # St. Nicholas I (the Great) (858-67) # Adrian II (867-72) # John VIII (872-82) # Marinus I (882-84) # St. Adrian III (884-85) # Stephen VI (885-91) # Formosus (891-96) # Boniface VI (896) # Stephen VII (896-97) # Romanus (897) # Theodore II (897) # John IX (898-900) # Benedict IV (900-03) # Leo V (903) # Sergius III (904-11) # Anastasius III (911-13) # Lando (913-14) # John X (914-28) # Leo VI (928) # Stephen VIII (929-31) # John XI (931-35) # Leo VII (936-39) # Stephen IX (939-42) # Marinus II (942-46) # Agapetus II (946-55) # John XII (955-63) # Leo VIII (963-64) # Benedict V (964) # John XIII (965-72) # Benedict VI (973-74) # Benedict VII (974-83) # John XIV (983-84) # John XV (985-96) # Gregory V (996-99) # Sylvester II (999-1003) # John XVII (1003) # John XVIII (1003-09) # Sergius IV (1009-12) # Benedict VIII (1012-24) # John XIX (1024-32) # Benedict IX (1032-45) # Sylvester III (1045) -- Considered by some to be an antipope # Benedict IX (1045) # Gregory VI (1045-46) # Clement II (1046-47) # Benedict IX (1047-48) # Damasus II (1048) # St. Leo IX (1049-54) # Victor II (1055-57) # Stephen X (1057-58) # Nicholas II (1058-61) # Alexander II (1061-73) # St. Gregory VII (1073-85) # Blessed Victor III (1086-87) # Blessed Urban II (1088-99) # Paschal II (1099-1118) # Gelasius II (1118-19) # Callistus II (1119-24) # Honorius II (1124-30) # Innocent II (1130-43) # Celestine II (1143-44) # Lucius II (1144-45) # Blessed Eugene III (1145-53) # Anastasius IV (1153-54) # Adrian IV (1154-59) # Alexander III (1159-81) # Lucius III (1181-85) # Urban III (1185-87) # Gregory VIII (1187) # Clement III (1187-91) # Celestine III (1191-98) # Innocent III (1198-1216) # Honorius III (1216-27) # Gregory IX (1227-41) # Celestine IV (1241) # Innocent IV (1243-54) # Alexander IV (1254-61) # Urban IV (1261-64) # Clement IV (1265-68) # Blessed Gregory X (1271-76) # Blessed Innocent V (1276) # Adrian V (1276) # John XXI (1276-77) # Nicholas III (1277-80) # Martin IV (1281-85) # Honorius IV (1285-87) # Nicholas IV (1288-92) # St. Celestine V (1294) # Boniface VIII (1294-1303) # Blessed Benedict XI (1303-04) # Clement V (1305-14) # John XXII (1316-34) # Benedict XII (1334-42) # Clement VI (1342-52) # Innocent VI (1352-62) # Blessed Urban V (1362-70) # Gregory XI (1370-78) # Urban VI (1378-89) # Boniface IX (1389-1404) # Innocent VII (1404-06) # Gregory XII (1406-15) # Martin V (1417-31) # Eugene IV (1431-47) # Nicholas V (1447-55) # Callistus III (1455-58) # Pius II (1458-64) # Paul II (1464-71) # Sixtus IV (1471-84) # Innocent VIII (1484-92) # Alexander VI (1492-1503) # Pius III (1503) # Julius II (1503-13) # Leo X (1513-21) # Adrian VI (1522-23) # Clement VII (1523-34) # Paul III (1534-49) # Julius III (1550-55) # Marcellus II (1555) # Paul IV (1555-59) # Pius IV (1559-65) # St. Pius V (1566-72) # Gregory XIII (1572-85) # Sixtus V (1585-90) # Urban VII (1590) # Gregory XIV (1590-91) # Innocent IX (1591) # Clement VIII (1592-1605) # Leo XI (1605) # Paul V (1605-21) # Gregory XV (1621-23) # Urban VIII (1623-44) # Innocent X (1644-55) # Alexander VII (1655-67) # Clement IX (1667-69) # Clement X (1670-76) # Blessed Innocent XI (1676-89) # Alexander VIII (1689-91) # Innocent XII (1691-1700) # Clement XI (1700-21) # Innocent XIII (1721-24) # Benedict XIII (1724-30) # Clement XII (1730-40) # Benedict XIV (1740-58) # Clement XIII (1758-69) # Clement XIV (1769-74) # Pius VI (1775-99) # Pius VII (1800-23) # Leo XII (1823-29) # Pius VIII (1829-30) # Gregory XVI (1831-46) # Blessed Pius IX (1846-78) # Leo XIII (1878-1903) # St. Pius X (1903-14) # Benedict XV (1914-22) # Pius XI (1922-39) # Pius XII (1939-58) # Blessed John XXIII (1958-63) # Paul VI (1963-78) # John Paul I (1978) # John Paul II (1978-2005) # Benedict XVI (2005-) "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." And they will not! Peace, Fiosh That no doubt looks very impressive, to a Peruvian peasant. But not to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted September 25, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godgivesall4us Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 well, there you go pointer, an answer to your question. i guess you now know the successor to peter. linus. I wonder why it wasn't charlie brown or snoopy? lol thats an impressive list of successors, or popes i guess. how did they get the name pope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted September 25, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointer Posted September 25, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 636 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2006 well, there you go pointer, an answer to your question. i guess you now know the successor to peter. linus. But was St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88) Linus' successor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordFish Posted September 28, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 104 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/25/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 28, 2006 LOL It is pretty simple in my faith as I only have one High Priest in which to confess to for He ever liveth. People do not possess the power to forgive sins. God never gave nor invested that power to any human person for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Christ is the only one who was given that power. SwordFish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointer Posted September 28, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 636 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 28, 2006 LOL It is pretty simple in my faith as I only have one High Priest in which to confess to for He ever liveth. 'Glory, honour and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever.' Rev 4:9-10 NIV Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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