SwordFish

The Word teaches it was Eve who was decieved and believed Satan simply because she had been decieved by Satan tricking her into eating the fruit. Eve would not have eaten the fruit on her own thus Satan had to trick and decieve Eve into eating the fruit. Eve did not choose Satan over God for had she not be decieved being the weaker vessel then she would have had no hinderance in resisting Satan but she was decieved and tricked. For Adam was not decieved but he flat out rebelled against God as it tells us in.......................... 1 Timothy 2:13-14--"For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was Not Decieved, but the woman being decieved was was in the transgression." This verse tells us up front Adam was "Not Decieved but it was the woman who was decieved instead." Thus why the woman should not be in charge and ursurping his authority for this is outright rebellion against God to do so as she is the weaker vessel and is commanded to be in silence with all subjection 1 Timothy 2:11-14 sf

Just would like to say that it was the women that was decieved as Satan cahe me to her and tricked her to eat the forbidden fruit but on the other hand Adam was not decieved nor tricked by Satan only the woman was decieved. Man on the other hand just staightout rebelled against God not being decieved but Adam broke the law he was given not to eat of the forbidden tree. So Adam was without excuse and was not decieved thus having no excuse he just once again flat out rebelled against God. It could have been because he wanted what Eve had as her eyes had been opened by Satan's lies but Adam's eyes were still closed. I believe that men are not decieved they just outright rebell against the laws of God. The Word does not teach that men were deceived but the Word teaches it was the women who was decieved or tricked. The Word also tells us that Adam was first form then woman. Because of what happened in the garden and the curses were placed on the ground, on the serpent, also the man and the woman. Part of the curses mentioned was that the man would rule over the women. This I'm sure will be accepted well. sf

What this shows is that women Should Not Be In Charge Because They Were To Easily Decieved.... sf

'LadyC' yes this is funny sf

sounds like they had a "rip" roaring time sf

good thread and insight oc it sure made me take inventory of my own life as i read through the things you had to say the part at the end of your study about being in the valley of decision at this time really does hold true swordfish

i had went to this play several years back and it had a scene in it where Jesus appeared after he had risen from the tomb as there was white smoke and all and it was a dramatic scence in light of what i know personally of the gospel account when i read scriptures as my mind pictures the incredibleness of that great event. but i was let down in my spirit when i saw the young man who was portraying Jesus as he had long hair like a girl and when i saw that i thought in my mind Jesus (the actor) needs to cut his hair. i just thought is was wrong for a young man today to portray Jesus to have long hair when the word says it is a shame for a man to have long hair. the young man portraying Jesus having short hair would not have taken anything whatsoever away from the impact of the scene and would have given males in the audience a good image of males having short hair today instead of promoting the idea that they should look like women and it is okay when it is not. so the play left a negative on me in that regards in light of 1 corinthians 11 teachings. SwordFish

i never saw the movie jesus christ superstar but heard of it and what i heard was not good. i did see the movie passion of the christ. and i thought it was a very powerful movie as there seemed to be a holy huss that came over the audience in reverence to what christ came and did for us on the cross. people in the theater were in tears at the impact of it. i personally thought that there was to much emphasis being put on mary the mother of Jesus as that stood to reason as Mel is a catholic but the truth that the jews rejected the messiah and put christ to death on the cross was true to the bible. there was alot that imagination put into the movie but that stands to reason on any movie being made. but over all it was a very powerful movie that changed hearts i believe. SwordFish

yes, there is such a thing as a soul mate and that is the person in whom the lord has chosen for you. yes, there is true love and it is when we give ourselves whole heartedly to the person in whom the lord has chosen for us as a mate. if one chooses their own mate in life it will more than likely be someone that is around your area as there is nothing mysterious about men and women getting together it just happens as it is a natural thing and one eventually does chose one in whom they are drawn unto from those in whom they are around. but if you allow the lord to choose your mate for you and you wait on the lord then you don't have to worry over things like did i miss or overlook the right one you will know as the lord will show you and you should ask him to show you in prayer and trust him to do that for you. i think the yearning one has on the inside for intimacy and companionship and for a family is the big give away that we are to be married and not single. for the lord said he would give us the desires of our heart so keep telling him your desires in this area. the story of isaac and rebekah in the book of Genesis in how they got together is a good read for you as God had a specific woman chosen for isaac and it was neat story showing how that particular women just happened to come out to the well and do what abraham's servant had prayed about to the lord. one can choose their own mate in this life but it is so much better to let the lord chose for us in his time for he knows us like no other person and knows the needs of our hearts and will match you up so much better with a mate that is right for you than what we ourselves can pick out of the crowd fishing for ourselves. trust in the lord and share your feelings with him and desires and for him to show you so you will know. SwordFish

defiantly a fronlet a keeper SwordFish

he was fullfilling prophecy the sign of Jonah three days and three nights in the heart of the earth and he would rise again and that temple shall not be destroyed as he was speaking of his body and the veil of the temple was rent from bottom to top that took them forty years to build. SwordFish

i agree with your thoughts here i can't even imagine being in paradise held captive by satan by lock and key in the lower parts of the earth and having Jesus the Savior of the world show up and preach to you for three days i wonder what those sermons was down under. then to be let loose by Jesus himself as Jesus triumped over satan taking back possession of paradise having all authority where the righteous dead were being held in captivity. and to come out of there with Jesus what a time they must have had. talk about having church. but satan can no longer ever again hold our spirits in prison under lock and key in the lower parts of the earth but upon death we saints enter into the glorious precious of the Lord immediately as you have so stated. SwordFish

i am defiantly pre-trib in belief. no matter what one calls the event that is going on in 1 thess chp. 4 i believe in that chapter and what is written in that chapter. the chapter talks about living to please God in verses 1-12 then it talks about the sudden coming of the Lord in verses 13-18. so i will not deny the holy scripture and just dismiss scripture based on a particular word not being found. because the word still stands as it foretells of this event recorded in this chapter. if one does not believe in the scriptures found in 1 thess 4:13-18 then they don't believe that they will be reunited with their loved ones again that have died and gone on before them by way of the grave. because this reuniting will only be happening at this glorious event recorded in these verses. for the lord will descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel with a trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first. then we which are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord. wherefore comfort one another with these words. the righteous dead shall rise for our believing loved ones that have died by way of the grave they will rise or be resurrected first. then the saints who are still alive on the earth at this event will be caught up in the air in the clouds with our loved ones who died before us and we will be with the Lord forever. apostle paul said in verse 13 i would not have you ignorant brethren of this very thing. why would paul say that, because the lord wanted us to know what has happened and will happen to our loved ones that have gone on before us. in order that we at their passing would be comforted and know for certain we will see them again at this event this family reunion in the air that will take place. i have always believed that when the unbelievers in this world looses a loved one they grieve harder than christians do because they have no comfort and no hope of seeing their loved ones again as these promises are only to believers. the events in revelation be mid and post trib views no where in scripture entails the events that are going on in 1 thessalians 4 the shout, the voice of the archangel, the trump of God and nowhere in those decriptions in revelation describes where the dead "IN CHRIST" rise first and those that are believers that are still alive and remain are caught up after them and are joined with them in the air to meet the lord and both the resurrected saints and those that were yet alive will forever be with the Lord. it teaches in 1 john 3:1-2 about the great love God bestowed on us by calling us sons of God and how the world can't just look at us and see that we are the children of God. cause you can't tell by looking at us we look like all the other people in the world. but one day the world will know we are the sons of God because we are going to be made manifest or made known that we are the sons of God. and it will be known at the events in 1 thessalonians 4:13-18. but right now it does not appear what we shall be but we know when our Lord does appear we are going to be like him as we shall see him as he is. meaning when the Lord is manifested or made known to the world at his coming in the air the sons or believers will also be manifested and known to the world as believers who have died in Christ and those who are still alive on this earth will be taken up into the clouds in the air. 1 corinthians 15:52 in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed 1 corinthians 15:51 behold i show you a mystery we shall not all sleep but we shall be "changed" i just believe the scriptures for what they say and teach describing this event. SwordFish

this is really not hard at all in my thinking towards the matter. because if the person is a homosexual before their conversion then they should have already turned from their sins and been forgiven as if they never done it and the church should accept such a person who has turned from their past sins. according to 1 cor 6:11 as such were some of you but ye are washed but ye are sanctified but ye are justified in the name of the lord Jesus and by the spirit of our God. So if one has had a conversion they have been washed by the blood they have been sanctified made clean and holy by the blood and they have been justified as if they have never done the sins in their past in the name of the lord Jesus and by the spirit of our God. this is for those who were homosexuals prior to salvation who have turned and repented then added to the church they should be viewed as a christian and saint of God as they no longer are a homosexual and have turned from the lifestyle. as far as those who have been a christian in the church for them to turn from the faith and begin to practice this type of lifestyle should be put out of the church for sexual immorality. living in this type of a lifestyle is a contradiction of the christian faith. after conversion this lifestyle should never be condoned or tolerated in the christian church. SwordFish