Guest drbelitz Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 God is love. why do we believe in a hell-hole where most of Gods created humans will be tortured FOREVER for chosing to be wicked, or for unbelief in his son, Jesus? I think that this teaching is false, as in the days of Jesus, the religious leaders taught falsehoods, the Greek word Hades and the Hebrew word Sheol, mean the GRAVE, Hell is the word the translators used. and check out this scripture, umm, the thought of burning people alive 'never entered Gods mind', jer.32:35 and never entered his heart either jer.7:31 as a matter of fact, God calls this idea of burning childen alive in fire an ABOMINATION, probably because HE IS LOVE, so why are people taught that God will do to his earthly children what is horrible in Gods mind? well, good ole satan is still misleading the religious leaders, he told Eve she would'nt really die, gen.3;4 but she did die, now he's telling us we don't really die, were tortured forever, were not really dead, and to top it all off, GOD is the one sending us there, umm ,whats wrong with this picture ? The bible is telling the truth when it tells us what happens at death. ecc.9:5,10 and ps. 146:3,4 and the soul does die-eze.18:4 and the spirit goes back to God, who gave it.ecc.12:7 thats why we need the ressurection. john 5:25, 6:40 agape love-onmyway Onmyway, God is love but perhaps his definition is not based on your feelings or definitions. Just a thought. From what I can gather. When a person dies they are in the hell, hades, sheol or the grave as you say, they are not aware of anything. There are some exceptions made in the scriptures. So far so good but there is more. The tortures and punishments come after the judgement when Satan and his angles and all his followers are sent to what is referred to as the lake of fire after they are found guilty not before. God says he resurrects all and some are sent to the lake of fire that burns forever and forever, this is also called the second death. This might be why you have trouble understanding. Rev 14;9-11, 19:20, 20:10-15, 21:18. Just a few places. The second death is not like the first and doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepreacher Posted September 10, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 148 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 57 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/28/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2006 God is love. why do we believe in a hell-hole where most of Gods created humans will be tortured FOREVER for chosing to be wicked, or for unbelief in his son, Jesus? I think that this teaching is false, as in the days of Jesus, the religious leaders taught falsehoods, the Greek word Hades and the Hebrew word Sheol, mean the GRAVE, Hell is the word the translators used. and check out this scripture, umm, the thought of burning people alive 'never entered Gods mind', jer.32:35 and never entered his heart either jer.7:31 as a matter of fact, God calls this idea of burning childen alive in fire an ABOMINATION, probably because HE IS LOVE, so why are people taught that God will do to his earthly children what is horrible in Gods mind? well, good ole satan is still misleading the religious leaders, he told Eve she would'nt really die, gen.3;4 but she did die, now he's telling us we don't really die, were tortured forever, were not really dead, and to top it all off, GOD is the one sending us there, umm ,whats wrong with this picture ? The bible is telling the truth when it tells us what happens at death. ecc.9:5,10 and ps. 146:3,4 and the soul does die-eze.18:4 and the spirit goes back to God, who gave it.ecc.12:7 thats why we need the ressurection. john 5:25, 6:40 agape love-onmyway Onmyway, God is love but perhaps his definition is not based on your feelings or definitions. Just a thought. From what I can gather. When a person dies they are in the hell, hades, sheol or the grave as you say, they are not aware of anything. There are some exceptions made in the scriptures. So far so good but there is more. The tortures and punishments come after the judgement when Satan and his angles and all his followers are sent to what is referred to as the lake of fire after they are found guilty not before. God says he resurrects all and some are sent to the lake of fire that burns forever and forever, this is also called the second death. This might be why you have trouble understanding. Rev 14;9-11, 19:20, 20:10-15, 21:18. Just a few places. The second death is not like the first and doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted September 10, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2006 Is Hitler in heaven or hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyGunivere Posted September 10, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 454 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/19/1985 Share Posted September 10, 2006 I don't know...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerioke Posted September 10, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,850 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1911 Share Posted September 10, 2006 I don't know...... good answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondeve Posted September 10, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/02/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/21/1986 Share Posted September 10, 2006 The Christian debate as to whether or not hell exists has always interested me. For myself, it seems one could just as easily conclude that it didn't exist as did. Here's one way to look at it: 1. There is a belief among many Christians that heaven constitues a closeness with God. In order for hell to be the antithesis of heaven, following this definition, hell only needs to be an absence of God - not the presence of anything else. 2. The Bible is - or can be, depending upon your mode of interpretation - full of metaphors. Some people think that certain passages are metaphors, whereas others believe in them literally. It therefore seems reasonable for someone to argue that passages refering to the Lake of Fire and eternal torment are meant metaphorically rather than literally, and that 'hell' - dying, and being denied God for eternity - is so terrible a concept as to merit such an horrific description, rather than there being an actual boiling lake. 3. If God is merficul, dying an absolute death might seem the kinder punishment for disobedience than eternal, unrelenting torment - a bit like the difference between offering a prisoner a swift, painless death by beheading or having them hung, drawn and quartered. Revenge in the form of Satan's Hell is vengeful, not merciful, and if all sins are equal in the eyes of God, then why would there need to be a hell for those who were especially bad in life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted September 10, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2006 I don't know...... Then you question if God is a God of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjrose Posted September 10, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,580 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/13/1960 Share Posted September 10, 2006 God is love. why do we believe in a hell-hole where most of Gods created humans will be tortured FOREVER for chosing to be wicked, or for unbelief in his son, Jesus? Yes, God is love. This is the reason it hurts Him greatly when He is rejected. In the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve had dominion and ruled and had everlasting life. But they both broke God's one and only law for them. Do not eat of the tree of knowledge. satan, disguised himself as a serpent, as God knew he would and tempted eve, then eve tempted adam and consequently lost their fellowship with God and God delievered punishment. The wages of sin is death. One of His punishments is that we would only live in our bodies for a short time and during that time, He gives us free will to choose to follow Him or reject Him. Those that reject Him, does hurt Him greatly as He made them. He wants everyone to come to Him. Those that refuse, have no right to live with Him in the Kindom of Heaven for eternity. All these things were prohesied. He is the Alpha and the Omega. The beginning and the end. If you believe that Jesus is your savior and shed His blood on the cross to pay for all our sins, past, present and future, then you would know why those who reject Him will be in eternal torment. He didn't create us for torture. He gave us free will to choose which direction you are going to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyGunivere Posted September 10, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 454 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/19/1985 Share Posted September 10, 2006 amen cj..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribulation Posted September 11, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 142 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/22/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2006 (edited) God is love. why do we believe in a hell-hole where most of Gods created humans will be tortured FOREVER for chosing to be wicked, or for unbelief in his son, Jesus? I think that this teaching is false, as in the days of Jesus, the religious leaders taught falsehoods, the Greek word Hades and the Hebrew word Sheol, mean the GRAVE, Hell is the word the translators used. and check out this scripture, umm, the thought of burning people alive 'never entered Gods mind', jer.32:35 and never entered his heart either jer.7:31 as a matter of fact, God calls this idea of burning childen alive in fire an ABOMINATION, probably because HE IS LOVE, so why are people taught that God will do to his earthly children what is horrible in Gods mind? well, good ole satan is still misleading the religious leaders, he told Eve she would'nt really die, gen.3;4 but she did die, now he's telling us we don't really die, were tortured forever, were not really dead, and to top it all off, GOD is the one sending us there, umm ,whats wrong with this picture ? The bible is telling the truth when it tells us what happens at death. ecc.9:5,10 and ps. 146:3,4 and the soul does die-eze.18:4 and the spirit goes back to God, who gave it.ecc.12:7 thats why we need the ressurection. john 5:25, 6:40 agape love-onmyway onmyway, Yes, God is Love. 1 John 4:8 - "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." BUT Our God can also get annoyed when we disobey him. You only need to look at some of the stories in the Old Testament to realise that God can punish us for our sins. God even punished Israel, his chosen people, because of their ways. Many of the Israelites fell at the will of God. It's the same to-day. God punishes those who disobey him and go against him. Psalm 7:11 - "God judgeth the righteous, and GOD is angry with the wicked every day." Nahum 1:6 - "Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him." However, I think the most important verse in the whole matter is - John 3:36 - "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." God's wrath dwells with those who have rejected Christ as their saviour! His wrath is for the sinner who goes against him and does not obey. God's love is a Fatherly love. If a child goes astray - we still love them, but do we not get angry with them? Hebrews 12:7 - "If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?" If we continue to sin and don't seek Christ for forgivness - then God will ultimately punish us with Hell. You can't say he didn't warn you! Edited September 11, 2006 by Tribulation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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