cupajoy Posted September 18, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 49 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2006 We are instructed in how to fast in Matthew 6:16-18 by Jesus himself. We are not instructed at all. That is not an instruction to fast, even to Jews. Even if there was such a thing, it would not necessarily apply to the church. Reread pointer I said this is "HOW" we are to fast if we choose to do so. Jesus himself fasted and prayed and we are told to follow His example. If you personally do not believe in fasting as in the word. Then don't practice it but don't tell others it is not biblical when it is all throughout the word. I think of the terrible things Jesus had to endure on the cross and the agony he went through in the garden and how that he practiced both prayer and fasting in order to keep Him strong and I learn from that as Jesus overcome the temptations of Satan to not submit His will over to the will of the Father to go to the cross. And Jesus is our example to follow after. oc I agree we are to put on the mind of Christ , to be Christ like, Jesus is our example, on we are to live our lives and fasting and prayer was a part of Christ's life. This is my conviction, i needed to add that statement we each have our own walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted September 18, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2006 There are tremendous blessings that can come through fasting and prayer Such as? answers from God Strength of Spirit and weakness of my flesh power in prayer and supplications before God Overcoming the temptations of Satan gaining victory in spiritual battles gaining direction in one's life the list can go on Like I said before if you don't believe in the practice and do not practice it don't discourage others in practicing it. And one who does not ever practice it cannot know of the blessings that it brings becomes it only comes by experience so what can I say further to you if you have never fasted before. For one who does not pray can never experience the breakthrough and tremendous blessings in prayer one get's when they know they have gotten in touch with heaven either. but only those who have know what I am talking about and practice prayer understands these things. So if you do not practice praying what more can I say to you for it only comes by experience so it is with fasting oc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointer Posted September 18, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 636 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2006 We are instructed in how to fast in Matthew 6:16-18 by Jesus himself. We are not instructed at all. That is not an instruction to fast, even to Jews. Even if there was such a thing, it would not necessarily apply to the church. Reread pointer I said this is "HOW" we are to fast if we choose to do so. I realised that. I didn't know why you wrote it, though. Jesus himself fasted and prayed and we are told to follow His example. Jesus was crucified. Do we do that, also? don't tell others it is not biblical when it is all throughout the word. I have written that there is no command to fast in Scripture. If that is a problem for anyone, they must prove me wrong, or accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointer Posted September 18, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 636 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2006 There are tremendous blessings that can come through fasting and prayer Such as? answers from God Strength of Spirit and weakness of my flesh power in prayer and supplications before God Overcoming the temptations of Satan gaining victory in spiritual battles gaining direction in one's life the list can go on It seems to me that those who do not fast receive all those benefits, very often more so than those who do fast. It seems to me that every born again person who begins to fast gives it up sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cupajoy Posted September 18, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 49 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2006 We are instructed in how to fast in Matthew 6:16-18 by Jesus himself. We are not instructed at all. That is not an instruction to fast, even to Jews. Even if there was such a thing, it would not necessarily apply to the church. Reread pointer I said this is "HOW" we are to fast if we choose to do so. I realised that. I didn't know why you wrote it, though. Jesus himself fasted and prayed and we are told to follow His example. Jesus was crucified. Do we do that, also?don't tell others it is not biblical when it is all throughout the word. I have written that there is no command to fast in Scripture. If that is a problem for anyone, they must prove me wrong, or accept it. Jesus was crucified. Do we do that, also? wow is that a loaded question and I think you know the answer to that, we are to die to sin to be born again. what is crucified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointer Posted September 18, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 636 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2006 We are instructed in how to fast in Matthew 6:16-18 by Jesus himself. We are not instructed at all. That is not an instruction to fast, even to Jews. Even if there was such a thing, it would not necessarily apply to the church. Reread pointer I said this is "HOW" we are to fast if we choose to do so. I realised that. I didn't know why you wrote it, though. Jesus himself fasted and prayed and we are told to follow His example. Jesus was crucified. Do we do that, also? don't tell others it is not biblical when it is all throughout the word. I have written that there is no command to fast in Scripture. If that is a problem for anyone, they must prove me wrong, or accept it. Jesus was crucified. Do we do that, also? wow is that a loaded question and I think you know the answer to that, we are to die to sin to be born again. what is crucified? Not the same as dying to sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cupajoy Posted September 18, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 49 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2006 re-post what may be satan's work? now i need to ask what are you talking about? Pointer what were you talking about here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted September 18, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2006 We are instructed in how to fast in Matthew 6:16-18 by Jesus himself. pointer We are not instructed at all. That is not an instruction to fast, even to Jews. Even if there was such a thing, it would not necessarily apply to the church. OC Jesus taught the value of prayer to his disciples in scripture when he was about to be betrayed and go the cross as Jesus was in agony of soul and He told his disciples to pray but they fell asleep and Jesus returned to them and said sleep on now for the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. As fasting does the same thing it keeps our spirits strong within us and our flesh weak so that we may follow the things of the spirit. Fasting and prayer go hand in hand with each other as in the word you find many places where for example in Luke 2:37--with fasting and prayers night and day. The apostle Paul said in 2 Corinthians 6:5-- "in tumults, in labors, in watchings, "in fasting" Also in 2 Corinthians 11:27 Paul said, "in hunger and thirst in fastings often." Fasting and prayer are biblical concepts found in the word even if you want to deny them to the church. ocReread pointer I said this is "HOW" we are to fast if we choose to do so. I realised that. I didn't know why you wrote it, though. ocJesus himself fasted and prayed and we are told to follow His example. pointer Jesus was crucified. Do we do that, also? OC actually we do Galatians 6:14-- the world is crucified unto me and I unto the world Romans 6:6-- the old man is crucified with him 1 Corinthians 1:23-- but we preach Christ crucified 2 Corinthians 13:4--though he was crucified through weakness Galatians 2:20--I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live Gal. 5:24--they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh We are to crucify or put to death the sinful desires that are in our flesh and walk in the newness of live that Christ has given us and we must die daily as apostle Paul said and walk in the Spirit. As again Jesus told his disciples when they fell asleep while Jesus was praying in the garden. Sleep on now for the time has come for the son of man to be betrayed into the hand of sinners For the Spirit is willing "but" the flesh is weak. ocdon't tell others it is not biblical when it is all throughout the word. pointer I have written that there is no command to fast in Scripture. If that is a problem for anyone, they must prove me wrong, or accept it. oc the concept of fasting and prayer are given in Mathew chapter 6 once again and in Jesus's own life and the believers in both the old and new testament practiced it as the examples above show just that. Can you thus prove that the biblical "concept" of fasting in not found in the word? If not accept it. oc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cupajoy Posted September 18, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 49 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2006 crucified as in Mat26:2 στοιχεῖον stoicheion stoy-khi'-on Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4748; something orderly in arrangement, that is, (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively): - element, principle, rudiment. crucified as in Mat 27:22 σταυρόω stauroō stow-ro'-o From G4716; to impale on the cross; figuratively to extinguish (subdue) passion or selfishness: - crucify. Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointer Posted September 18, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 636 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2006 the concept of fasting and prayer are given in Mathew chapter 6 One does not give a concept. Fasting is mentioned, like animal sacrifices, tithing, washing, many other things that are commanded. Nobody could possible deny that. What cannot be found is a command to fast, in OT or NT. It was apparently the Israelites who devised fasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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