ayin jade Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,800 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,246 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2006 That link is hogwash. I am surprised the mods haven't deleted it. It makes their job easier if you dont quote the link in your post Axe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalou Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 251 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/03/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2006 I'm sorry, but I need to interrupt to address the topic at hand! There are certainly types and shadows of Christ in paganism just as there are in the Old Testament. Consider that Jesus evidently rose from the dead on the VERY DAY of the heathen 'Feast of Ishtar.' This was a Spring festival, celebrating the new growth and fertility of the Spring. is it not singularly appropriate that the Son of God should resurrect in 'newness of life' right at that time? The Scripture tells us that God has never been without a voice among any group of people. So we SHOULD expect to see prophetic type hints in other religions. I know a Minister in India who often leads Hindus to faith in Christ, from their own Vedic texts! And to answer one of Kalou's questions arising from the quote from the Roman satirist Celsus: The real difference is that all the pagan myths were performed "A long time ago, in a galaxy far away," as it were, whereas the facts of Christianity were open to public scrutiny. Anybody who wanted to could actually go and VISIT Mary, the mother of Jesus up in the little hamlet of Nazareth up until about A.D. 63 or so. The Apostles claimed they were 'eye-witnesses' of the events, not poets writing about events thousands of years back! Ca. A.D. 62, we are told that 'the greater part' of the 'more than 500 witnesses' who saw Jesus carried into heaven at His glorious Ascension, were still living! THAT, my dear fellow, is how Christianity differs from the pagan myths. There is MUCH more information available than that, my dear fellow! Surely as a 'former Christian' you have studied these things out carefully. You must already know them, yes? No? Well then, my good Sir; you simply MUST read Josh MacDowell's EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT. Then you'll have a little more solid, scholarly information to go on. I could write that over 500 witnesses witnessed something, but if none of them write it down, then basically there are no other witnesses but me. You see, if what you say is true, then the church would have also said it in their defense. They chose to say that satan created copycat religions prior to Christ in order to fool people. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I'm just saying that there isn't any evidence that it happened except what's written in the gospels, which were written much later. "Josh McDowell is merely an exercise in after-the-fact rationalization of beliefs held on prior emotional grounds." *Absolutely no links to that site********* This site requires a lot of reading that most probably won't do, and I don't blame them. But Josh is, at the very least, unconvincing. k That link is hogwash. I am surprised the mods haven't deleted it. Hogwash? To what end? It is a critique of a popular book by others. To put this into perspective, I read a book called "The Jesus Mysteries" that tried to say that original Christianity was, indeed a Pagan religion. It was very convincing until I read a critique of the book. I no longer believe what the original book said because the critique was well done. I always read critiques of popular books that try to say interesting things. Don't you? Another was "The DaVinci Code". I don't believe the concepts that were put forth in that book for the same reason. This is why science demands falsification. Anyone can show evidence to believe something- ANYTHING- and stack up thousands of reasons to believe that thing no matter what it is. And why would the moderators delete a link? It's not like people have to believe what it says. It is simply information that the reader can take into consideration. k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,800 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,246 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2006 And why would the moderators delete a link? It's not like people have to believe what it says. It is simply information that the reader can take into consideration. Remember the terms of service you had to agree to in order to sign up for this board? You may not post any material that is disrespectful of God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, or the Bible. This includes user names or anything in your profile, or sig. (Ex. 20:7) This is a privately funded message board, we reserve the right to edit or remove any postings that we feel are detrimental to the fellowship on this board, or detrimental to the witness of the board, as we see fit. It is not possible to read every post. If you see a board violation, please report it using the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalou Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 251 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/03/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2006 Accept the word of man over the word of God? No thanks Khalou. Linking to sites that oppose Christianity isnt allowed here either. How does the link oppose Christianity? It opposes a book written poorly by a man who does his religion no service by being inaccurate. And even if it isn't true, it is only a commentary on the wisdom of a man. I think Christianity can stand easily in spite of any human disagreement about facts and logic. k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,800 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,246 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2006 Khalou, I am quite familiar with that site, as you obviously are. It is a site that is against Christianity. Posting links to it is against the terms of service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,800 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,246 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2006 Khalou, Ive asked people to pray for your salvation. That your heart be opened to Him. To who He is, what He has done, and why you need Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted October 8, 2006 I'm sorry, but I need to interrupt to address the topic at hand! There are certainly types and shadows of Christ in paganism just as there are in the Old Testament. Consider that Jesus evidently rose from the dead on the VERY DAY of the heathen 'Feast of Ishtar.' This was a Spring festival, celebrating the new growth and fertility of the Spring. is it not singularly appropriate that the Son of God should resurrect in 'newness of life' right at that time? The Scripture tells us that God has never been without a voice among any group of people. So we SHOULD expect to see prophetic type hints in other religions. I know a Minister in India who often leads Hindus to faith in Christ, from their own Vedic texts! And to answer one of Kalou's questions arising from the quote from the Roman satirist Celsus: The real difference is that all the pagan myths were performed "A long time ago, in a galaxy far away," as it were, whereas the facts of Christianity were open to public scrutiny. Anybody who wanted to could actually go and VISIT Mary, the mother of Jesus up in the little hamlet of Nazareth up until about A.D. 63 or so. The Apostles claimed they were 'eye-witnesses' of the events, not poets writing about events thousands of years back! Ca. A.D. 62, we are told that 'the greater part' of the 'more than 500 witnesses' who saw Jesus carried into heaven at His glorious Ascension, were still living! THAT, my dear fellow, is how Christianity differs from the pagan myths. There is MUCH more information available than that, my dear fellow! Surely as a 'former Christian' you have studied these things out carefully. You must already know them, yes? No? Well then, my good Sir; you simply MUST read Josh MacDowell's EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT. Then you'll have a little more solid, scholarly information to go on. I could write that over 500 witnesses witnessed something, but if none of them write it down, then basically there are no other witnesses but me. You see, if what you say is true, then the church would have also said it in their defence. They chose to say that satan created copycat religions prior to Christ in order to fool people. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I'm just saying that there isn't any evidence that it happened except what's written in the gospels, which were written much later. "Josh McDowell is merely an exercise in after-the-fact rationalization of beliefs held on prior emotional grounds." This site requires a lot of reading that most probably won't do, and I don't blame them. But Josh is, at the very least, unconvincing. k That link is hogwash. I am surprised the mods haven't deleted it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalou Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 251 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/03/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2006 And why would the moderators delete a link? It's not like people have to believe what it says. It is simply information that the reader can take into consideration. Remember the terms of service you had to agree to in order to sign up for this board? You may not post any material that is disrespectful of God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, or the Bible. This includes user names or anything in your profile, or sig. (Ex. 20:7) This is a privately funded message board, we reserve the right to edit or remove any postings that we feel are detrimental to the fellowship on this board, or detrimental to the witness of the board, as we see fit. It is not possible to read every post. If you see a board violation, please report it using the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalou Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 251 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/03/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2006 Khalou, I am quite familiar with that site, as you obviously are. It is a site that is against Christianity. Posting links to it is against the terms of service. I'm sorry. You are correct. The "site" is probably against Christianity. Actually, I wasn't familiar with it, but I am now. k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted October 8, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted October 8, 2006 I'm known as the atheist that preaches Christianity, because I do. What an oxymoronic reputation! Why do you do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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