Bob Dole Posted November 11, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 139 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/28/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 11, 2006 (edited) I don't think America kicked God out. America is 75% Christian. Plus God isn't going to punish all of the people in a country for the wickedness of a few. Even when he does punish a country with good people, he always warns them, I really don't think we've angered God as much as you think. The situation in Israel that you're referring to in the bible is far far faaaaaaaaaaar worse than anything we've ever seen in America. We are not talking about Israel here, Bob. We are talking about America. Sorry, I read this - The God vacuum: America and the barbarian hordes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: November 9, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern In the Old Testament of the Bible, God is shown time after time chastising the House of Israel, His chosen but often disobedient people, by allowing barbarians to invade and plunder their cities and put many of them to the sword. That is what the Western World, including America, is starting to experience today, having likewise turned away from God............ ..........When God withheld His protection from ancient Israel because of the disobedience and faithlessness of His people, there was only one possible solution: They had to repent of their pride and folly and come back to Him. Do we somehow expect the Almighty to grant a different remedy to us? and assumed when he said "Israel" he meant Israel and not America. Although America wasn't mentioned in the bible, perhaps I was correct in assuming he was talking about the punishment brought down upon Israel? The handwriting is on the wall for you to see, and has been for a long time. How much more do you think God will tolerate? America tolerates the killing of our unborn children and calls it "freedom of choice." Abortion is legal in more than half of the world. We're one of the few (if not only) developed nations in the world that's fighting to make abortion illegal. America tolerates homosexual perversions and calls it "diversity and alternative lifestyles" Australia has the highest concentration of homosexuals in the world, they seem to be doing quite fine. America tolerates paganism and immoral life styles and calls it "multiculturalism" America has the highest concentration of Christians out of all the world's nations. Plus the bible teaches us tolerance - But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Edited November 11, 2006 by Bob Dole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dole Posted November 11, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 139 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/28/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 11, 2006 America tolerates killing of the elderly and the ill among us and calls it "compassion" The only time a person will be killed for being ill (LEGALLY! Assisted suicide is NOT LEGAL) is in cases like that of Terry Schaivo. She was dead long before they pulled out her feeding tube, I'm surprised more people aren't upset that we're disturbing God's plan by unnaturally extending the lives of people. America tolerates religious cults that deny God and calls it "denominationalism" Again, God teaches us to tolerate others. America tolerates pornography and exploitation of women and children and calls it "art". There are international laws against child pornography. Adult pornography is legal but it isn't nearly as bad as it is in most European nations. America tolerates vile and filthy brain washing of our children and calls it music or movies. You're kidding... so we should ban all forms of entertainment? What about the Passion of the Christ? What about religious music? That's just absurd, we're the home of the brave and the land of the FREE. If you want to ban music and movies please move to North Korea, they already do that. America tolerates God's Holy Name being blasphemed and calls it "freedom of speech". Well the sin is in defiling God's name. If you wrote it on a piece of paper, and then crossed it out. Or you said dog instead of God. Although there are so few people who truly blaspheme I don't see this as an issue. The people who do it will already suffer God's wrath. Again, he's not going to punish the whole nation over the actions of a few. America tolerates taking of innocent life, and theft of property and calls it our legal system. I don't see where you're going here? The bible tells us to execute murderers (well it tells us to execute a lot of people) and we do (however, it's quite rare.) I don't know where the legal system allows theft though. America tolerates the taking of prayer out of school and calls it freedom of religion. Would you like it if during the prayer a group of kids sat in the corner and prayed to satan? Would you feel safe about your kids then? What about children praying to allah? The list goes on and on and on... America tolerates everything except the name of the one true God, irregardless of how many who call themselves Christians. My Web Blog I really don't see how God could single out the country that most praises his name as the one country to punish in this wicked world in which we live. He punished Israel for abandoning his beliefs, he allowed the barbarians to come over and take over their land. We're taking over Iraq, and Pakistan, WE are the barbarians God is allowing to invade the non-believers land. When a muslim country is sending it's troops here and enslaving us, then it's truly time to worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christ's Free Servant Posted November 11, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 197 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,461 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/18/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/31/1949 Share Posted November 11, 2006 I really don't see how God could single out the country that most praises his name as the one country to punish in this wicked world in which we live. Bob, Have you ever tried asking God that question? Do you ever ask him what he thinks about all of this? I'm not assuming you don't, but I wonder if this is just your reasoning or if you feel God has given you this understanding of his will for America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dole Posted November 11, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 139 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/28/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 11, 2006 Well no I didn't ask God, all of my reasoning comes from what the Bible says about God's wrath, and the current global situation, taking into account different statistics on different topics. Normally when God disapproves of something I get strong feelings of doubt and anxiety. I don't feel that way about our country or the issues you have brought up. Even when I ask for guidance on joining the armed forces I feel that God will protect me. I think that would apply to the country as a whole (and not certain individuals) but I could just be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christ's Free Servant Posted November 11, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 197 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,461 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/18/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/31/1949 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Well no I didn't ask God "If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does" (James 1:5-8). "You do not have, because you do not ask God. When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures" (James 4:2b-3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dole Posted November 11, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 139 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/28/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 11, 2006 I didn't ask God his thoughts on America and where it's headed because I never cared before (still don't really care now) God has always told me what he wanted me to know. I guess my form of questioning is different, I just kind of think to myself and God sends answers that way. I don't pray traditionally (hands together, kneeling before my bed making the signs of the cross and all that) it's more like a deep thought I suppose? Although I'm pretty sure the bible doesn't require us to all pray like that (I don't think it requires any form of prayer.) Wow, just looked it up, apparently I'm praying properly :-D (yay) one of the methods of prayer is concentrating on a question to yourself, but God hears these questions, so it's asking God (which means I've asked God because I've thought hard about this question of his opinion in America before posting.) I mean, I could be completely wrong, I was never handed a guide to being a Christian when I converted (I was born to Atheist parents in NYC, so it's a bit hard knowing the proper way to do things.) I figured if I gave myself to God he would guide me on the correct path (seems to have done that so far, but then again I could be completely wrong.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIME Posted November 11, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 382 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/17/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/08/1964 Share Posted November 11, 2006 God Forgive America Dear God, This nation, the people and government of the United States of America, laying aside all pride and arrogance, humbly comes before you to ask your forgiveness. We have blatantly gone away from your laws and Godly instruction to which our founding fathers built this nation on. How can we dare ask God Bless America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christ's Free Servant Posted November 11, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 197 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,461 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/18/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/31/1949 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Bob, The only guide any of us were handed when we became believers in Jesus Christ is the Bible. That is our ONLY guide. Though it is certainly true that God knows our thoughts and that he knows what we are going to ask even before we ask it, still His Word teaches us over and over again to 'ask'. This is important to God, because it opens those doors of communication between us and him. He wants us to ask. Think of our relationship with God like a marriage. Imagine if I never expressed to my husband what I wanted, I never talked directly with him, but I just expected that he would know what I wanted. That would not work, it would cause a lot of confusion and frustration, and there would be no communication between us. Or, imagine if I said the question out loud kind of like thinking out loud, but I never directed the question to him. What would that say to him? Or, what if I stated the question but then just went on about my day without really waiting to hear his reply? You see, Jesus wants to have time with us. He wants us to ask him questions and he wants us to listen for the answers. That is why we need to sit at his feet, not literally, but figuratively. It means to spend time quietly with him each day in prayer and in His word. We have to be in His Word if we want to know his answers to our questions. Yes, sometimes he will put the answers in our heads, but that comes from spending a lot of time with him at his feet, listening to his voice so that we are able to discern his voice from our own thoughts, but we should never rely on this as our guide because it is so subjective and our own thoughts and feelings can enter in and can even override his. It is true that prayer is not some method or position, though the Lord has certainly been encouraging me of late to literally get on my knees before him. I have really bad knees and sometimes they hurt so badly that I can't sleep, but I have found recently that when I get up, if I just get on my knees in prayer, they don't hurt. Amazing! Well, that is where God has me, but I don't think you have to be on your knees or even closing your eyes or hands held together to pray. I talk with God all day long, just as though he is right there beside me. Sometimes I will think a thought like you said but not really directly ask him and he will sometimes give me an answer in my head, but that is not the norm. The Bible is our guidebook on how to live the Christian life and how to pray. I don't know where you got your information on how to pray when you said that you looked it up and you are praying the right way, but again, the Bible tells us to ask, to seek, to knock, to inquire, etc. So, again, I encourage you to earnestly seek God's face, to ask him what he thinks, and then to spend much time in his word listening for his answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dole Posted November 12, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 139 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/28/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 12, 2006 I looked up "Methods of prayer" and found info on St. Simeon who wrote on three methods of prayer. There are plenty of websites on it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dole Posted November 13, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 139 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/28/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2006 You seem to ignore a lot of things I write so I'll keep this short. The bible shows us cases of God sending down his wrath on nations that are primarily unbelievers and sinners. There isn't one case of him sending down his wrath on a nation where such an overwhelming majority of people are innocent believers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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