sweetycakes Posted December 13, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 162 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,844 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,105 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/23/1964 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Process, Are you here to disprove the Faith or for answers? And what do you mean by "here for answers"? It can be very difficult to get straight answers out of Christians sometimes. Not that difficult, Process: Jesus is Lord. He came, He died for you, for your sins, which you couldn't pay for yourself. Thereby He offered you eternal life, which you couldn't otherwise attain. When you grasp this basic concept, you will then be able to move on. Failure to do this, however, will mean that you are stuck in a rut, in darkness. when you realise and understand the basic premise outlined above, you are then ready to receive other revelations pertaining to your existence, purpose and destiny. Is this too hard for you to understand? You either stand, or fall, at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted December 13, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted December 13, 2006 Grace to you, Process, You know the Terms of Service here. I suggest you stick with them. Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProcess Posted December 16, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 487 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/27/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2006 Not that difficult, Process: Jesus is Lord. He came, He died for you, for your sins, which you couldn't pay for yourself. Thereby He offered you eternal life, which you couldn't otherwise attain. When you grasp this basic concept, you will then be able to move on. Failure to do this, however, will mean that you are stuck in a rut, in darkness. when you realise and understand the basic premise outlined above, you are then ready to receive other revelations pertaining to your existence, purpose and destiny. Is this too hard for you to understand? You either stand, or fall, at this point. (1) This doesn't look like "apologetics". You are posting in the wrong forum. (2) This isn't much of an answer as to why Christians sometimes seem to find it difficult to give straight answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjrose Posted December 16, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,580 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/13/1960 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Not that difficult, Process: Jesus is Lord. He came, He died for you, for your sins, which you couldn't pay for yourself. Thereby He offered you eternal life, which you couldn't otherwise attain. When you grasp this basic concept, you will then be able to move on. Failure to do this, however, will mean that you are stuck in a rut, in darkness. when you realise and understand the basic premise outlined above, you are then ready to receive other revelations pertaining to your existence, purpose and destiny. Is this too hard for you to understand? You either stand, or fall, at this point. (1) This doesn't look like "apologetics". You are posting in the wrong forum. (2) This isn't much of an answer as to why Christians sometimes seem to find it difficult to give straight answers. Our answers are as clear as can be. You just aren't listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProcess Posted December 16, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 487 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/27/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2006 Our answers are as clear as can be. You just aren't listening. As one example, what justification exists for the N.T. claim that: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. (Hebrews 9:22 RSV) Can you give me a clear answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetycakes Posted December 16, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 162 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,844 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,105 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/23/1964 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Our answers are as clear as can be. You just aren't listening. As one example, what justification exists for the N.T. claim that: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. (Hebrews 9:22 RSV) Can you give me a clear answer? In my own understanding, the answer is this: under Old Testament law, and, indeed, since the beginning of creation, sin cannot be forgiven with blood being shed. Under the New Testament Covenant, that requirement has been met by Jesus, who, as the sinless Son of God, allowed His blood to be shed for the FORGIVENESS OF SINS. Do you understand this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undone Posted December 17, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 45 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 819 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 Process, In your opinion, what didn't Jesus do to prove He is the Messiah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProcess Posted December 17, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 487 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/27/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2006 In my own understanding, the answer is this: under Old Testament law, and, indeed, since the beginning of creation, sin cannot be forgiven with blood being shed. Under the New Testament Covenant, that requirement has been met by Jesus, who, as the sinless Son of God, allowed His blood to be shed for the FORGIVENESS OF SINS. Do you understand this? I think you have made a mistake here: "sin cannot be forgiven with blood being shed". Did you want to say "without"? Your position doesn't seem to be recognized in Judaism. Jews say that blood sacrifice is one way to atone for sin in the Old Testament. But it wasn't the only way to atone for sin, and it never atoned for all sins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted December 17, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Hence, the need for Jesus! t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProcess Posted December 17, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 487 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/27/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2006 Hence, the need for Jesus! The issue is whether Hebrews 9:22 is an accurate representation of Old Testament law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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