Ovedya Posted December 4, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Your arrogance overwhelms me. It is not arrogant to state simple facts. You know, like gravity pulls at a rate of 32 feet per second? Second, do you know what one of the most basic tenants of communism is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rmj7 Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 ........ummmmmm. I'm still tryin to figure out what the guy was trying to say and where he stood on the whole subject........ummmmmmm...... I dunno...... Uhhhhhhh, God is real....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGR Posted December 4, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagz4Christ Posted December 4, 2003 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 511 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/18/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/08/1975 Share Posted December 4, 2003 ........ummmmmm. I'm still tryin to figure out what the guy was trying to say and where he stood on the whole subject........ummmmmmm...... I dunno...... Uhhhhhhh, God is real....... uhh......what guy...what subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fovezer Posted December 4, 2003 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 305 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/27/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 4, 2003 It is not arrogant to state simple facts. You know, like gravity pulls at a rate of 32 feet per second? You mean simple, unsubstantiated facts? And in the manner you said it? Then yes, it is arrogence. Second, do you know what one of the most basic tenants of communism is? How could I forget that? Of course I am a commie. Stay away from the evil commie!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted December 5, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 5, 2003 You are here to convert Christians into atheists! Since he's gone this route himself, if he can convert others, he'll be able to continue to feel that he made the right decision. He can't help himself. God was once with him and a peice of God still nags at his soul. He has no choice but to fight him for the rest of his life. Know Jesus know peace! No Jesus no peace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted December 5, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted December 5, 2003 It is not arrogant to state simple facts. You know, like gravity pulls at a rate of 32 feet per second? You mean simple, unsubstantiated facts? And in the manner you said it? Then yes, it is arrogence. Second, do you know what one of the most basic tenants of communism is? How could I forget that? Of course I am a commie. Stay away from the evil commie!!!! Well first, seeing as how you came here telling us all that there is no God (Or at least, you think there is no God), it is not up to us to make the case. Second of all, I am not calling you a commie. I simply asked if you knew what the basic tenant of communism is. You posted a link to a web site filled with accusations that atheists are out to undermine the American way of life - a tongue in cheek, obviously. But it does raise an important subject. Are atheism and communism interinsically intertwined? I'll give you the answer. Communism has at it's base, the removal of all systems of faith, religion, belief, and social accountability. Take a look at the brief list of long-term objectives of communism and see how they apply. This is from the book titled The Naked Communist by Cleon Skossen. This information is also in the Communist Manifesto, by the way. The book was written in 1958. Interesting how many of these goals have already been achieved since then! Take special note of the bolded portions below: 1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. 2. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U.S. would be a demonstration of moral strength. 3. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 4. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of communist domination. 5. Set up East West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.S. 6. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the United Nations. 7. Promote the United Nations as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. 8. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. 9. Do away with loyalty oaths. 10. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S. 11. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 12. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Get control of the teachers associations. 13. Gain control of all student newspapers. 14. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. 15. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures. 16. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and a violation of free speech and free press. 17. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures and TV. 18. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as normal, natural and healthy. 19. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with social religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a religious crutch. 20. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principles of separation of church and state. 21. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 22. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the grounds that it was only a minor part in the big picture. 23. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the communist apparatus. 24. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 25. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 26. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. 27. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American traditions; that students and special interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political and social problems. More of these points are listed at: http://www.patriotevents.com/geoff_metcalf.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rmj7 Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 uhh......what guy...what subject? Sorry Sagz. I was talking about Mr. Durnan, the gentleman who posted up this article. As far as the subject goes.....I'm still lost..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fovezer Posted December 5, 2003 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 305 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/27/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 5, 2003 Well first, seeing as how you came here telling us all that there is no God (Or at least, you think there is no God), it is not up to us to make the case. Wether I came here or not, you assert the positive, and it is up to the one who claims the positive to prove it. The burden of proof is on you. Second of all, I am not calling you a commie. I simply asked if you knew what the basic tenant of communism is. You posted a link to a web site filled with accusations that atheists are out to undermine the American way of life - a tongue in cheek, obviously. But it does raise an important subject. Are atheism and communism interinsically intertwined? Yes, that site was a joke. Stop thinking what the USSR tried is what communism is, because it is not. It is radical form, like a radical Islamic government (Iran). 1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. 2. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U.S. would be a demonstration of moral strength. 3. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 4. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of communist domination. 5. Set up East West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.S. 6. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the United Nations. 7. Promote the United Nations as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. 8. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. 9. Do away with loyalty oaths. 10. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S. 11. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 12. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Get control of the teachers associations. 13. Gain control of all student newspapers. 14. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. 15. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures. 16. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and a violation of free speech and free press. 17. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures and TV. 18. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as normal, natural and healthy. 19. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with social religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a religious crutch. 20. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principles of separation of church and state. 21. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 22. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the grounds that it was only a minor part in the big picture. 23. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the communist apparatus. 24. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 25. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 26. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. 27. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American traditions; that students and special interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political and social problems. Like I said above, this is a radical form of communism. A VERY radical form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted December 5, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 5, 2003 Fovezer: What kind of proof would you find acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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