dakota190 Posted December 27, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 640 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/14/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2006 TUBAL-CAIN, not even bothering to re-examine your over-all stance, your one statement alone about how "one should stay true to himself/herself, " shows one of the points missing from your argument. one should stay true to the Lord Jesus, and the gospel he gave us, and the salvation he gifted to us. the emergent churches are denying the deity of Jesus, through the same reasoning you are attempting to use here. why would a christian need to get a lesson in morality from an immoral format, such as the plot this movie seems to have? we must choose whom we will follow, the world, hence satan, or the Lord and his salvation. does someone watch such shows as "sex in the city" to discover what that lifestyle is about, good or bad? desperate housewives, a show that maligns women and legitimate housewives, do you watch that to see how disgusting being unfatihful to your mate is? isn't that something a christian should already know? or do people watch it for the titilation. the tease? why would someone watch little miss sunshine? for a lesson in morality. whatever is intimated in movies will be seen as alright for the masses. it will be seen as truth by the young. the message you proclaim is not what will be received. it will inspire wrong thinking and immoral acts. yes, the days of wholesome tv are pretty much gone. entertainment is not what it once was. can you say the world is better for it? answer according to whom you wish to follow into eternity. because you just might. the bible is the christian moral compass. not hollywood. if you proclaim to be a christian, how can you criticize another christian for insisting on the morality that our Lord teaches, in his word? not what hollywood decides to teach society. the thing is i have finally learned is, i don't need your approval or hollywoods approval, certainly not the approval of the aclu or the democratic party. i don't have to be politically correct, as a matter of fact i am not. what i do have to be is acceptable to my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. his holy word will guide me there. the holy spirit tells me what i should do and what i should not do. if this is unpalatable to you as a christian i suggest you spend more time in Gods' word with a good teacher, instead of defending what is indefensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgesbluegirl Posted December 27, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,234 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1987 Share Posted December 27, 2006 If you haven't seen the movie, then don't make such harsh judgments. It's one of the most "pro-family" films to come out in years, by the way! It's this insane, loserish, flawed family who winds up realizing how important they are to one another through the course of the movie. The so-called "pedophilia" scene is just about the opposite - it's an over-the-top way of critiquing the whole child pageant culture, showing how ridiculous early sexualization of children actually is by having this plain, chubby little girl gyrate on stage in competitiion with coiffed and made up little princesses. The family sees the ridiculousness and so joins her on stage, both amplifying the strangeness (and hilarity) and putting childhood back into the context of the family. Anyway, it's a great, quirky movie, and it was one of my favorites this year. I about fell out of my seat during that scene when I saw it in theaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetycakes Posted December 27, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 162 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,867 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,122 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/23/1964 Share Posted December 27, 2006 I haven't seen the film Therefore I can't comment So I won't I think I should leave now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted December 27, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Yes, Hollywood knows all about promoting family values! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgesbluegirl Posted December 27, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,234 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1987 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Um, good thing it didn't come out of Hollywood....you know, it was called "the little Indie that could" for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubal-Cain Posted December 27, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 448 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1981 Share Posted December 27, 2006 And so, seeing a young child in that film doing what he saw her doing is not worth judging righteously? It is worth judging righteously once you know all the facts. If you don't know all the facts then you can't judge righteously. We all should know sin when we see it..have we become so enured by it that we accept something like that and rush to defend a film company before taking the word of a righteous man? Huh! I would certainly take the words of someone who watched the whole movie over someone who just looks up and gets the wrong impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted December 27, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2006 There is a way to parody culture without going too far. I would not parody the rap culture by walking around with women on a leash because that would go too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubal-Cain Posted December 27, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 448 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1981 Share Posted December 27, 2006 not even bothering to re-examine your over-all stance, your one statement alone about how "one should stay true to himself/herself, " shows one of the points missing from your argument. I wasn't making an argument, I was just clarifying what the Catholic reviewer appeared to be referring to when he mentioned family values. one should stay true to the Lord Jesus, and the gospel he gave us, and the salvation he gifted to us. And as a Christian I would assume that staying true to yourself would by definition also be staying true to Christ, correct? These are not necessarily competing loyalties. why would a christian need to get a lesson in morality from an immoral format, such as the plot this movie seems to have? No one said that a Christian would need to get a lesson in morality from a movie. The point was merely that there are positive family values in Little Miss Sunshine. if you proclaim to be a christian, how can you criticize another christian for insisting on the morality that our Lord teaches, in his word? I haven't criticized your moral viewpoints. I've criticized you for getting the facts wrong about the movie. Those who say that the movie contains pornography or pedophilia are bearing false witness. Those who judge a movie they have not seen and apparently don't understand are not in a position to judge truthfully. You can attack the movie but do so with the truth, not with your misconceptions about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted December 27, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Those who judge a movie they have not seen and apparently don't understand are not in a position to judge truthfully. You can attack the movie but do so with the truth, not with your misconceptions about it. I make it a habit to judge all movies without having seen them! That is good! It is called discernment. It works well. Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron and EZ are in a great position to be able to judge righteously. Their lives are a testament to Christ. When a man with lots of spiritual fruit says something, I listen to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubal-Cain Posted December 27, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 448 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1981 Share Posted December 27, 2006 I make it a habit to judge all movies without having seen them! That is good! It is called discernment. It works well. What you are describing is an educated guess as to the contents of the movie. Such guesses can often be wrong and inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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