serotta Posted December 30, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/20/1959 Share Posted December 30, 2006 So a movie that points out the absurdity of the pageant system is vilified, and we turn a blind eye to the problem? There wa nothing close to pornography included in this movie. We obviously disagree on this, so I will leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vrjenny Posted December 30, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 101 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/20/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/20/1978 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Can i pose the problem of innuendos with minors in a different light...since it being okay in a movie has been suggested...you say it is not pedophilia...that the scene was okay...how about this "scene"... you have minor child playing on the computer...talking to her friends...someone begins talking with her...saying "suggestive" things...they don't come right out and say anything illegal...they are tricky enough to get the "picture" across without crossing the boundaries...What do you do? do you feel as though a violation has been made? what is the effect of the few moments this took to happen???... i mean...the conversation was okay...going fairly good until the comments made...but they weren't THAT bad after all. Okay...how about this...you find YOUR child/teen has made a home video...maybe at a party...somewhere...anyway...she is doing the very things the girl in the movie was doing...maybe other girls doing it also...it gets out on the internet...you see it...or you hear about it... is it okay? i mean...it is just innocent fun, right? how about the thought of a sick person watching your child do this...does that bother you? do you feel helpless towards that idea? what about the idea of that "innocent" video causing or aiding someone stumbling into sin? causing them temptation? You know...i know they tell you on the plane that you don't have to watch...but the fact is that others may be watching it...others next to you...down the aisle from you... what if you have had problems with it in the past....or what if someone is on there willfully watching...someone that has the problem...what if they can't hold back the temptation it brings up in them... what if it drives them to do something when they get to their destination? I hope it isn't YOUR town...and they don't run into YOUR child. What i am saying is this...why play it on a plane...where you have a limited choice on your actions. If someone decides to go to the movies and see it..that is between them and God...if they decide to purchase it..that is their choice...EVERYONE has rights, right? but where do the rights of one person stop? do they stop when they infringe upon the rights of another? you say...it is just an innocent movie...but if Christ is not at the very center of it...then it is a tool of the devil...maybe not towards you...but i guarantee it is towards someone...as Children of God...shouldn't we try to uplift everyone...help them stay in the "light"... i have an idea for a documentary...one better than this one is suggested to be...how about how the influences of media...music...videos...tv...how they desensitize us....our children...so they live "wild" lives....maybe interview teens and see how and if the media has influenced them into an unpure lifestyle.... how about how ppl find it easier to accept homosexuality since we see all kinds of movie stars participating in same sex scenes....what about the fact of little 10 or twelve year olds getting pregnant... where do they get the ideas that it is even okay to have sex...how do they even know what sex is??? you see...it starts with adults watching these things...but our children get ahold of them too...and the devil will help them validate wrongful actions with "innocent" movies..music..tv...etc. You are all right...we all can agree on the fact that....we can do what we want... God did give us "free will"...but one thing we must remember...with that comes accountability...and the Lord is the Judge. He is just! He is also loving...and because of that...He has given us the very statues in which He will judge us by... I am not sure if He will accept the defense of ....." but...it wasn"t THAT bad..." seriously...at what "price" do we set the limits for entertainment.... lets say the payment is in souls... can you give me a number??? we are not to be stumbling blocks...and i choose not to support or condone anything that is. Thanks for your opinion.... Here is mine! God Bless, Jenny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted December 30, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Hear, hear, Jenny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VRSpock Posted December 30, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 304 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/24/1971 Author Share Posted December 30, 2006 So a movie that points out the absurdity of the pageant system is vilified, and we turn a blind eye to the problem? There wa nothing close to pornography included in this movie. We obviously disagree on this, so I will leave it at that. There is an infinte amount of alternate ways to point out the negativity of the pageant system than to have a minor stripping and gyrating on stage. The choice of including this specific scene was the choice of the producers of this film. Perhaps they too are desensitized to such things and did not see the scene as being wrong, but I find myself strongly convicted by the very idea of a minor doing anything suggestive in any film of any sorts. I'm not surprised that the organizations that rate the films that we see allowed this to pass through. Our rating system has been very skewed for a long time now. I remember when curse words weren't allowed on television. Now it is done with about every word in the book without a second thought even on the public broadcast networks like CBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishcowboy Posted January 2, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 127 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,248 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 2, 2007 by the way, the back of the DVD does say that there is sex and drugs involved in the movie.... being that some people do not care to read the back of the case, i have not seen nor will i see the movie, just from what the back of the case says..... we do look at the ratings and the reasonings for the ratings..... as was said about the Bible.... there are some cultures that do not allow the reading of the Song of Solomon until over the age of 30.... and never in public..... as far as what is shown on the airlines, how can it be controled as to what children see??? IT CAN NOT....... wrong film for an airline flight.... mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serotta Posted January 2, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/20/1959 Share Posted January 2, 2007 as far as what is shown on the airlines, how can it be controled as to what children see??? IT CAN NOT....... wrong film for an airline flight.... mike I can see how you could make this argument... but look at the title of this thread. It has nothing to do with Delta making a mistake about what movie they showed, but says that Delta promotes pedophilia!!! This is an extreme overstatement of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakota190 Posted January 2, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 640 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/14/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted January 2, 2007 Delta is responsible for their decisions. what the implications and end results may be from that decision. ultimately, how people will be affected and /or how those same people may be offended. in a world so caught up in being "politically correct" this was not a smart or even an informed decision. even if a non-christian viewed the movie, i would think the premise would make them at least uneasy. some form of positive morality should at the least, raise its' head and be recognized and either endorsed or denied, by that person. but, peoples morality has been so badly eroded by what we watch and hear and to a large extent, read, some no longer have the ability to make a good moral decision. they have been given over to a reprobate mind. this condition has found its' way into the Christian church, inch by inch, until many Christians cannot recognize when they are being pulled across the line, or when they willingly step across the line. some things can be stopped and lives turned back before the damage is too bad. some acts commited, especially those involving others, can never be fixed or rectified. this is why we must fight. even if others, a number of those being Christians think we are overreacting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted January 2, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted January 2, 2007 as far as what is shown on the airlines, how can it be controled as to what children see??? IT CAN NOT....... wrong film for an airline flight.... mike I can see how you could make this argument... but look at the title of this thread. It has nothing to do with Delta making a mistake about what movie they showed, but says that Delta promotes pedophilia!!! This is an extreme overstatement of the situation. Luke 11:23 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters. He who does not stand for righteousness, stands for unrighteousness. Doing nothing about this, and standing idly by is akin to promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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