Floatingaxe Posted February 15, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted February 15, 2007 What is offensive is that Jesus' deity is being denied. He is God incarnate. Anyone reading the Word of God will deduce such truth without the benefit of knowing any other language but what they speak themselves, or being steeped in tradition, or being bereft of dogma. The Word of God is plain, and written for the masses---not just scholars. Little children can pick up the truth in it without being overly indoctrinated. Are you a Jehovah's Witness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbarn Posted February 15, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 11 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/05/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 15, 2007 What is offensive is that Jesus' deity is being denied. He is God incarnate. Anyone reading the Word of God will deduce such truth without the benefit of knowing any other language but what they speak themselves, or being steeped in tradition, or being bereft of dogma. The Word of God is plain, and written for the masses---not just scholars. Little children can pick up the truth in it without being overly indoctrinated. Little children would never pick up the "trinity" without being trained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted February 16, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted February 16, 2007 What is offensive is that Jesus' deity is being denied. He is God incarnate. Anyone reading the Word of God will deduce such truth without the benefit of knowing any other language but what they speak themselves, or being steeped in tradition, or being bereft of dogma. The Word of God is plain, and written for the masses---not just scholars. Little children can pick up the truth in it without being overly indoctrinated. Little children would never pick up the "trinity" without being trained. They sure know who Jesus is! they know He is God, and they know the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Jesus...so it's not a hard concept to embrace. Little children don't usually hear the word, "trinity" until older. I am speaking of children and young people in general. Once they learn to read the Bible for themselves, they could easily pick up the truth about Jesus' deity. Thank God He made it understandable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted February 16, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 What is offensive is that Jesus' deity is being denied. He is God incarnate. Anyone reading the Word of God will deduce such truth without the benefit of knowing any other language but what they speak themselves, or being steeped in tradition, or being bereft of dogma. The Word of God is plain, and written for the masses---not just scholars. Little children can pick up the truth in it without being overly indoctrinated. Are you a Jehovah's Witness? Hi Floatingaxe. Not that you, or anyone else have ever have accused me of this, but I certainly have never denied Jesus' Deity. This is what I have learnt of Jesus according to Scripture; Jesus Christ existed in His Spirit body, "whitht ehFather," throughout all eternity past, as a member of the Godhead who was called called "The Word," untill He divested Himself of His Spirit body and became a man. As God He has always existed. But, as a man, in taking human form, flesh and blood, He had a beginning. Scripture, show that Jesus Christ was one of the three divine persons of the Deity and that as God he had no beginning. Mic. 5:2 states He existed from all eternity. John states of Him as existing in the very beginning with the Father (John 1;1-5). Jesus Himself said He was before Abraham, and before the World was created (John 8:58; 17:5, 24). Paul states Christ as existing before all things and as the creator and upholder of all things (Col. 1:15-18; Heb. 1:1-3, 8; 2:10). God the Father created all things by Jesus (Eph. 3:9). Divine names are ascribed to Him. These divine names and titles proves that He is by nature divine and a member of the Godhead. He is called God and Immanuel in (Matt. 1:23; John 1:1; 20:28 and Acts 20:28). Christ the Lord (Luke 2:26); The Son of God (Matt. 4:3; 14:33; Luke 22:70; John 1:34; Rom. 1:4). He is called "MY SON" by the Father in (Matt. 3:17); The only begotten Son (John 1:18; 3:16-18; 1 John 4:9). He is called the First and the Last. Alpha and Omega, The beginning and Ending (Rev. 22:12, 13, 16). The Lord (Acts9:17); The Son of the Highest (Luke 1:32; Mark 14:61). The Holy Child Jesus (Acts 4:30); King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Rev. 19:16); Lord and Savious (2 Peter 3:2); and The Word Of God (Rev. 19:13), and many more such titles show He is a member of the Divine Godhead. In Phil. 2:5-11 Paul speaks of Christ being in God's form and that He laid aside this form and limited His attributes and powers as God to become a man. These powers were given back to Him when He was exalted to the highest place with God, (Coll. 3:1; Mark 16:19), after His lowest humiliation and limitation before God-even to do nothing, say nothing, be nothing and depend entirely upon God the Father for needed grace for body, soul, and spirit, and make a sucess of the work the Father sent Him into the world to do (Phil 2:9-11; Eph. 1:21-23; Col. 1:15-24; 1 Pet. 3:22). We know He did not keep His powers and position whilst a man, else He could not have been exalted back to it. If He had not laid aside all His Glory and power He could not have had it restored to Him as stated in John 17:5. If He had retained all His riches while on Earth He could not have become poor for our sakes as taught in 2 Cor. 8:9. If He had kept His divine form He could not have taken on human form as taught by Phil. 2:5-11. His incarnation proves He was limited as a man and grew to manhood as we all do, and He developed normally as any other human child. All the traditional theories of Him making toy birds and animals of mud and breathing life into them so they became real creatures and ran and flew away, and the many other miraculous powers He allegedly had from birth are mere theories and traditions made up by suspicious pagans to make Him equal with their pagan gods. He was a normal man as we are, and He did no miraculous works untill He was anointed fully by the Holy Spirit (Matt. 3:16-17; John 2:11). After Jesus was annointed by the Holy Spirit to the full, He then posessed all the gifts and Graces of the Holy Spirit to the full, and He demonstrated what being like God among men really is like and He encouraged one and all who aspire to this exalted position, of sons of God with Power (John 3:34; Acts 10:38). He laid aside His natural and divine attributes, and their use, and became a perfect example of yieldedness to God and His Spirit to overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil (Heb. 10:5-9; Acts 10:38). Regarding His Humanity. Human names were ascribed to Him. Rabboni (John 20:16), Jesus (Matt. 1:21), Son of Abraham and David (Matt. 1:1), Seed and Offspring of David(Rom. 1:3; Rev. 5:5; 22:16). The second man and the Last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45-47). The King of the Jews (Matt. 2:2). He was called a "BABE," a "CHILD," and a "MAN" (Luke 2:16; Isa. 9:6; Acts 17:31; 1 Tim. 2L4-5; Rom. 5:12-21; John 8:40; Acts 2:22; 1 Cor. 15:21, 45-47). It was prophecied that He would be born of a human mother (Gen. 3:15; Isa. 7:14; 9:6-7; 11:1; 53:1-12; Ps. 22). And He had flesh and blood like all other men (John 1:14; Heb. 2:14-15; 1 John 4:1-6; Luke 24:39; John 19:34). Jesus Christ, in His glorified flesh and bone body, now sits beside the Father in Heaven (Luke 24:39; John 20:27; Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69), for the Father, who is and did remain a Spirit being, is Spirit and has a Spirit body, and must be worshiped in Spirit and truth (John 4:24). Haz. 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tpbarn Posted February 16, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 11 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/05/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Chris Posted February 16, 2007 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 83 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/18/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/11/1986 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Jesus Christ, resurrected, flesh and bone, now sits beside the Father in Heaven in His glorified flesh and bone body. (Luke 24:39; John 20:27; Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69). The Father, who never became flesh, is Spirit and has a Spirit body, and must be worshiped in Spirit and truth (John 4:24). How does one who believes God and Jesus Christ are 'one" God explain these Scriptures? I'm not sure really... I've always found the concept of the Trinity conforting... not because he was 1... but because he was 3. For some reason an "alone God" isn't very conforting... and it contridicts the image of God in us. We are made in the image of God and we are the most relational beings on the planet... so it doesn't add up to me that God would be "one and only". It makes much more sence when you got God, Jesus, and the Spirit so much in unity that they are "one". So yes... i beleive the "one" refers to unity... it just seems to make more sence when it comes to the nature of God and his image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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