Steward George Posted March 23, 2007 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.25 Content Count: 27,793 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,513 Days Won: 130 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted March 23, 2007 On the eve of a critical vote, House Democrats labored Thursday to lock down a majority behind a Sept. 1, 2008, deadline for the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq, the sternest test yet for a determined new majority eager to challenge President Bush. http://www.worthynews.com/news/apnews-mywa...D8O1M4E00-html/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niufan99 Posted March 25, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 17 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/04/1945 Share Posted March 25, 2007 If we surrender which is what it will be,this country will be wide open for terroist attacks.I don't think the democrats have any plan in place to prevent this.The scary thing is that osama bin laden said this is what would happen just like vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubal-Cain Posted March 25, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 448 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1981 Share Posted March 25, 2007 If we surrender which is what it will be Handing full control over to the Iraqi government is not a surrender. If this bill were to become law (it's going to be vetoed by Bush and I don't think Congress will be able to override the veto) it would force Bush to either come up with a plan that works (staying the course has done nothing to diminish the amount of violence in Iraq over the past 4 years) or it would get our troops out of a situation that they cannot resolve through military might. this country will be wide open for terroist attacks How do you think leaving Iraq will leave us any more open to terrorist attacks than we are now? Have you forgotten that countries like Spain and the UK have been attacked even when their troops were in Iraq? I don't think the democrats have any plan in place to prevent this. First, there is no fool-proof way to prevent a terrorist attack on US soil. However, during their first 100 hours leading Congress, the Democrats passed a bill that would examine all air and sea cargo and shift homeland security funding more towards high-risk targets. I'm not sure if it has passed the Senate and been signed into law by the President yet, but it shows that the Democrats are not devoid of ideas. The scary thing is that osama bin laden said this is what would happen just like vietnam. The Vatican also predicted that the aftermath of the war with Hussein could be pretty messy. So what? Does bin Laden dictate our policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted March 25, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted March 25, 2007 A nation cannot afford the perception of 'losing' a war. Even worse is to show the unmitigated cowardice of a pullout. Especially when dealing with the Arab world. They have been ruled by nabobs and despots for 1300 years, and understand ONLY brute force, and respect ONLY courage. Tubal-cain; your recipe is for the sure death of millions of Americans.... DO YOU WANT OUR SOLDIERS TO WIN IN IRAQ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubal-Cain Posted March 25, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 448 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1981 Share Posted March 25, 2007 A nation cannot afford the perception of 'losing' a war. Why not? Don't the actual facts matter more than people's perceptions? Even worse is to show the unmitigated cowardice of a pullout. The only thing that matters is what plan of action will be best for Iraq regardless of how "brave" or "cowardly" you perceive it to be. Tubal-cain; your recipe is for the sure death of millions of Americans.... How will it lead to any deaths, let alone millions? DO YOU WANT OUR SOLDIERS TO WIN IN IRAQ? I don't care if they win or lose in your opinion. What I want is a just peace in Iraq. This ultimately has to be done by the Iraqi government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted March 25, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted March 25, 2007 I don't care if they win or lose in your opinion. What I want is a just peace in Iraq. Ah, so here is the point of contention. What is a "just peace"? And how will it be obtained? This ultimately has to be done by the Iraqi government. When they are ready, sure. Can we put a time table on when they will be able to keep their country stable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliyahuw Posted March 25, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,263 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/11/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/17/1961 Share Posted March 25, 2007 A nation cannot afford the perception of 'losing' a war. Why not? Don't the actual facts matter more than people's perceptions? Even worse is to show the unmitigated cowardice of a pullout. The only thing that matters is what plan of action will be best for Iraq regardless of how "brave" or "cowardly" you perceive it to be. Tubal-cain; your recipe is for the sure death of millions of Americans.... How will it lead to any deaths, let alone millions? DO YOU WANT OUR SOLDIERS TO WIN IN IRAQ? I don't care if they win or lose in your opinion. What I want is a just peace in Iraq. This ultimately has to be done by the Iraqi government. Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubal-Cain Posted March 25, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 448 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1981 Share Posted March 25, 2007 What is a "just peace"? Pretty much what it sounds like. A peaceful situation in which justice, as opposed to injustice, reigns. So we would be looking for a relatively peaceful Iraq where justice is upheld. And how will it be obtained? Staying the course has failed so it's time for a new strategy. I'm open to ideas. Perhaps we could begin a slow withdrawal and see what happens? If it goes well we can keep going until we are completely out of the country. If it goes poorly we can go back in and try something else. When they are ready, sure. Can we put a time table on when they will be able to keep their country stable? You'd think we'd be able to analyze what needs to be done and the approximate time it will take to accomplish that goal. A timetable can also be used to pressure the Iraqis to work hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted March 25, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted March 25, 2007 And that's another point of contention - Belief on the intentions and actions of the terrorists in the whole affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted March 25, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Especially when dealing with the Arab world. They have been ruled by nabobs and despots for 1300 years, and understand ONLY brute force, and respect ONLY courage. I have to be honest, that borders on racism right there. Not all arab countries are in the stone age. And they certaintly understand more than brute force and courage. You make them sound like the klingon race from Star Trek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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