CWJ Posted February 8, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 455 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2004 Isn't the definition of saved.....means to be saved from the lake of fire? So...if you wind up in the lake of fire....you wasn't SAVED! Can't claim saved...if you wind up lost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His son Posted February 9, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 764 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/01/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2004 Isn't the definition of saved.....means to be saved from the lake of fire? So...if you wind up in the lake of fire....you wasn't SAVED! Can't claim saved...if you wind up lost! That statement will never keep you out of that pit of hell. God saved Israel many times over, until they went beyond the point of no return. That didn't make them anyless saved before they reached it. They could have chosen not to go there, and He kept telling them that fact, but they refused to listen. Don't make that same mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 9, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 265 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/19/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2004 Isn't the definition of saved.....means to be saved from the lake of fire? So...if you wind up in the lake of fire....you wasn't SAVED! Can't claim saved...if you wind up lost! That statement will never keep you out of that pit of hell. God saved Israel many times over, until they went beyond the point of no return. That didn't make them anyless saved before they reached it. They could have chosen not to go there, and He kept telling them that fact, but they refused to listen. Don't make that same mistake. Those that trust in the shed blood of Jesus Christ as the atonement for their sins will never be lost. It is only those that trust in their works or some other "god" of self that has to worry about being lost. Its very simple, if you are not trusting Jesus Christ for your salvation alone, your as lost today as you were when you started out. You can talk the talk all you want. But the fact is, if a person can claim salvation and think they can remain sinless unto salvation, they are very deceived. If you began under the Grace of God, and fall away..return unto works, I think it's addressed as being bewitched. The Galatians were bewitched in this manner. " O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you ? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the spirit, by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit , are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? If it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you, the Spirit , and worketh miracles among you, doeth He it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, forseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: For it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that NO MAN is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith. " We have been redeemed from the curse of the law. Salvation is by Grace through Faith, and not of ourselves. If you think for one minute that you will be saved because you adhered to a life that was good enough to save you, you are sadly mistaken. You seem to point out those under the law as the examples you gave, did not fulfill the law and were therefore not saved. But you fail to see they could not be saved through the law. No flesh being justified by the works of the law means NO FLESH, INCLUDING YOUR OWN. Im sure you lead a fearful life. Having to make sure that every " t" is crossed and every " i " dotted, to ensure that you will be saved. Or if you forget to ask for forgiveness, or are suddenly taken before you have the chance to ask....or do not see a particular wrong as a sin and stumble along the way and become lost according to your own beliefs. You are under bondage. Being made a slave unto the law. There is freedom in Jesus Christ! For the one who the Son sets free, is free indeed! Please come to see the truth before it's too late. You can be free ! Its a plain fact. If your salvation is outside of Jesus Christ alone, you have no salvation to begin with. Being saved is only something you can hope for, not obtain. When you come to know Christ as the Saviour, you will understand that in Him is salvation, and that it is not of us. And you will understand as well, what a wonderful salvation it is, and how precious His shed blood is. Instead of arguing over what salvation is, How about recieving it and knowing in Whom it is. Jesus Christ is our salvation. We have nothing to boast of in ourselves, no works of righteousness which we have done. But we can point you to Christ! We can show you His righteousness! A righteousness that is accounted to us. Not by our works, But by His. And it is in Christ that we stand, and that we rest. In Him we have assurance of salvation. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWJ Posted February 10, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 455 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2004 Amen...and... amen! Good Rick, and simple, which is in Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His son Posted February 12, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 764 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/01/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2004 Isn't the definition of saved.....means to be saved from the lake of fire? So...if you wind up in the lake of fire....you wasn't SAVED! Can't claim saved...if you wind up lost! Typical mans logic. There are people who have to have that lifeline tossed to them many times over before they learn how to swim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWJ Posted February 15, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 455 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 15, 2004 But swimming would be "works" that are done by the one being saved. Jesus does it all.....the "work" is done..... Not a good analogy to the Gospel fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 15, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 265 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/19/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 15, 2004 " Typical mans logic. " Just curious, What logic do you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 God saved Israel many times over, until they went beyond the point of no return. That didn't make them anyless saved before they reached it. They could have chosen not to go there, and He kept telling them that fact, but they refused to listen. Don't make that same mistake. You are assuming that He is finished with them. That would be wrong. In human terms it would appear that way because we are limited in our perspective. Two thousand years seems like a long time to us. But He has promised that they will be saved. Their salvation has already been decided and it had nothing to do with their works. It is the same with us. The point is that though "they" (we) are in a constant cycle of rebellion, He remains faithful. Behold...God is my salvation. Not me. Not my works I will trust and will not be afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneAccord Posted February 15, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,587 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/03/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 15, 2004 You are assuming that He is finished with them. That would be wrong. In human terms it would appear that way because we are limited in our perspective. Two thousand years seems like a long time to us. But He has promised that they will be saved. Their salvation has already been decided and it had nothing to do with their works. It is the same with us. Yod: Do you believe that only those of Israel that are alive when He reveals Himself to them will be saved (besides the Messianic Jews who accept Him now), or do you mean ALL of Israel. In other words, who is the ALL in ALL of Israel will be saved? (Hope I'm not derailing the thread, but I'm needing some understanding on this...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted February 15, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 15, 2004 Isn't the definition of saved.....means to be saved from the lake of fire? So...if you wind up in the lake of fire....you wasn't SAVED! Can't claim saved...if you wind up lost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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