Vickilynn Posted May 10, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2007 I just gotta say, I could PRETEND I'm an atheist and still tear Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort apart in a logical debate. Shalom CD, And that is the point. The Kingdom of G-d is not about logic, It is all about the Spirit and the wise men of this world are no match for G-d's wisdom! If G-d can use a donkey, He can use any one of us that are willing to stand up for Him and speak His Word. When proclaiming the Kingdom of God to an atheist, it does more harm than good to argue with that mindset, Vickilynn. Shalom CD, I don't agree. I believe G-d will make HIS Word known and proclaimed in HIS strength and power, not ours. It is not us that has the job, it is G-d. We need only be willing vessels. It is not our words that can change a heart of an atheist or anyone, it is the Holy Spirit. If we think that it is up to US and our fine-sounding arguments, we have given ourselves a job that G-d has not given us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaritateDei Posted May 10, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 400 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2007 I just gotta say, I could PRETEND I'm an atheist and still tear Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort apart in a logical debate. Shalom CD, And that is the point. The Kingdom of G-d is not about logic, It is all about the Spirit and the wise men of this world are no match for G-d's wisdom! If G-d can use a donkey, He can use any one of us that are willing to stand up for Him and speak His Word. When proclaiming the Kingdom of God to an atheist, it does more harm than good to argue with that mindset, Vickilynn. Shalom CD, I don't agree. I believe G-d will make HIS Word known and proclaimed in HIS strength and power, not ours. It is not us that has the job, it is G-d. We need only be willing vessels. It is not our words that can change a heart of an atheist or anyone, it is the Holy Spirit. If we think that it is up to US and our fine-sounding arguments, we have given ourselves a job that G-d has not given us. Did you watch the debate? Did Ray and Kirk really do a good job? Or did the Holy Spirit decide not to speak through them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted May 10, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2007 Show me in the Scriptures where there is a "gift" or "office" of Apologetics. Please. Gift of wisdom/knowledge. That was easy. Again, just your opinion. You are spouting your opinion as fact and that is not Scriptural. Nope. It's factual. They aren't qualified for public debate. And again, you are not G-d and not able to tell them they are not "called" to this ministry. Yes I can. They aren't qualified, thus it isn't their ministry (that or they're failures in their ministry). Again, show me in the Scriptures where there is a "gift" or "office" of Apologetics. Already did above. Please prove that by Scripture. Already did above. 10And the gospel must first be proclaimed to all nations. 11And when they bring you to trial and deliver you over, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. 12And brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death. Just one. There are many more. Nope, you're wrong. There aren't many more. It's the only one you could find in your search. Likewise, it's only applicable to the apostles, not to us. Look at the context. So, again, where is the passage that says the Holy Spirit will teach us the meaning of scripture? The Kingdom of G-d is not about logic, Part of it is. Either you're right or Paul is. I'll trust Paul. He says logic is involved in the defense of scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undone Posted May 10, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 45 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 819 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 10, 2007 Comfort/Cameron's ministry, "The Way of the Master", is not an apologetics ministry. They have a series of training videos and materials on how to effectively share the Gospel. That would be their area of expertise if any. That is why I say I have respect for them. However, I do not turn to their ministry for apologetics resources, it wouldn't make sense to do so. Whoever intiated this event was not interested in sealing a clear cut victory. Otherwise, they'd probably recruit some of the more notable experts in the feild. Notice it was edited. They could have leveled the playing feild through editing for all we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted May 10, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted May 10, 2007 I just gotta say, I could PRETEND I'm an atheist and still tear Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort apart in a logical debate. Shalom CD, And that is the point. The Kingdom of G-d is not about logic, It is all about the Spirit and the wise men of this world are no match for G-d's wisdom! If G-d can use a donkey, He can use any one of us that are willing to stand up for Him and speak His Word. When proclaiming the Kingdom of God to an atheist, it does more harm than good to argue with that mindset, Vickilynn. Shalom CD, I don't agree. I believe G-d will make HIS Word known and proclaimed in HIS strength and power, not ours. It is not us that has the job, it is G-d. We need only be willing vessels. It is not our words that can change a heart of an atheist or anyone, it is the Holy Spirit. If we think that it is up to US and our fine-sounding arguments, we have given ourselves a job that G-d has not given us. Did you watch the debate? Did Ray and Kirk really do a good job? Or did the Holy Spirit decide not to speak through them? They did a good job presenting the Gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabowd Posted May 10, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,489 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2007 Presenting the gospel and defending the gospel are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted May 10, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Presenting the gospel and defending the gospel are two different things. Who is saying differently??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted May 10, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2007 Presenting the gospel and defending the gospel are two different things. Who is saying differently??? Anyone defending Cameron/Comfort as apologists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabowd Posted May 10, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,489 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2007 Presenting the gospel and defending the gospel are two different things. Who is saying differently??? Anyone defending Cameron/Comfort as apologists. lol...you know it's kind of funny. Many Christians on this very board cannot even defend what they believe to other believers, yet they think they're qualified to defend the gospel in ANY setting, even among very educated and articulate atheists. If people can't even follow a discussion and realize what the debate is about...how do they expect us to believe they're qualified to defend the gospel against unbelievers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaritateDei Posted May 10, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 400 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2007 Presenting the gospel and defending the gospel are two different things. Who is saying differently??? Anyone defending Cameron/Comfort as apologists. Bingo. By being there, they set themselves up as apologists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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