Child-Of-Israel Posted May 21, 2007 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 12 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 21, 2007 What makes you think that it's sin that leads to hell? What makes you think that because of sins that you commit you are damned? No, it isn't that. It's because your slapping God in the face that you go to hell. When God asks you not to have sex outside of marriage, he doesn't do it because it's wrong, he asks because he wants to see where your priorities are. Heaven is eternal existence with God. That means the people there will have loved God enough in life to give up anything for him, and it means that God will want to be with those people. When you decide to have sex out of marriage, it's not that it's wrong necessarily, it's that God asked you not to do it. When you decide to do it, your saying that you value your 15 mins or so of pleasure more than you do him. When you decide to look at porn your choosing yourself over God. You can't do that and go to heaven at the same time because why would God want someone with him for eternity when that person is concerned so much for him/herself that he/she can't give up some pleasures? Why should you want to go there other for selfish gratification? The reward of heaven isn't the stuff that's there (ie the gold, food, happiness), the reward is that you get to be with God. To the Christian who loves God, being with him is enough to make them happy for eternity, even if they didn't have the extra perks. When Christians decide not to sin they do so out of love towards God (or they should anyway). That's the whole point. God wants us to make a decision between him, and ourselves/other people. When you do things he asks you not to do, you are making your decision. I pose this question to the people of worthy...above is a quote from a post of mine on another board. And I was wondering if such a thing is true? Here is what I believe...I believe that it is not our sins, bad actions, or wrongdoings that send us to hell, I think sin has nothing to do with it. I think it has to do with making a choice. when God asks us not to sin he is asking us to make a choice between him and ourselves. When we choose ourselves we condemn ourselves. I personally believe that heaven is eternal existence with God, and that hell is eternal separation from God. I feel that if one wants to enter heaven one must love God and have a vibrant relationship with him. I believe that the perks of heaven (ie gold, happiness, glory) will not be what makes us happy, it will be the fact that we are with the Creator that will make us happy. What are your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted May 21, 2007 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 21, 2007 I believe that it is not our sins, bad actions, or wrongdoings that send us to hell, I think sin has nothing to do with it. I think it has to do with making a choice. when God asks us not to sin he is asking us to make a choice between him and ourselves. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Sin has everything to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child-Of-Israel Posted May 21, 2007 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 12 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/14/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 21, 2007 I believe that it is not our sins, bad actions, or wrongdoings that send us to hell, I think sin has nothing to do with it. I think it has to do with making a choice. when God asks us not to sin he is asking us to make a choice between him and ourselves. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Sin has everything to do with it. Depending on how you look at it. "For the wages of sin is death" but what is sin? it is nothing more than showing God that you don't value him over yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted May 21, 2007 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 21, 2007 Too much emphasis on man. Sin is disobedience to God, not valueing man above God or anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exrockstar Posted May 25, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,673 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2007 What makes you think that it's sin that leads to hell? What makes you think that because of sins that you commit you are damned? No, it isn't that. It's because your slapping God in the face that you go to hell. When God asks you not to have sex outside of marriage, he doesn't do it because it's wrong, he asks because he wants to see where your priorities are. Heaven is eternal existence with God. That means the people there will have loved God enough in life to give up anything for him, and it means that God will want to be with those people. When you decide to have sex out of marriage, it's not that it's wrong necessarily, it's that God asked you not to do it. When you decide to do it, your saying that you value your 15 mins or so of pleasure more than you do him. When you decide to look at porn your choosing yourself over God. You can't do that and go to heaven at the same time because why would God want someone with him for eternity when that person is concerned so much for him/herself that he/she can't give up some pleasures? Why should you want to go there other for selfish gratification? The reward of heaven isn't the stuff that's there (ie the gold, food, happiness), the reward is that you get to be with God. To the Christian who loves God, being with him is enough to make them happy for eternity, even if they didn't have the extra perks. When Christians decide not to sin they do so out of love towards God (or they should anyway). That's the whole point. God wants us to make a decision between him, and ourselves/other people. When you do things he asks you not to do, you are making your decision. I pose this question to the people of worthy...above is a quote from a post of mine on another board. And I was wondering if such a thing is true? Here is what I believe...I believe that it is not our sins, bad actions, or wrongdoings that send us to hell, I think sin has nothing to do with it. I think it has to do with making a choice. when God asks us not to sin he is asking us to make a choice between him and ourselves. When we choose ourselves we condemn ourselves. I personally believe that heaven is eternal existence with God, and that hell is eternal separation from God. I feel that if one wants to enter heaven one must love God and have a vibrant relationship with him. I believe that the perks of heaven (ie gold, happiness, glory) will not be what makes us happy, it will be the fact that we are with the Creator that will make us happy. What are your thoughts? our existence sends us to hell. plain and simple. so many scriptues i dont even know where to begin. ... 3xR0c|<stAr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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